Geeze Louise, where does this guy get his logic, not from the Holy Spirit that is for sure. Okay, count me crazy if you want to, but I was under the assumption if your still married and you start a relationship that draws your attention and affections away from your spouse, that is called adultery. When my husband left me, I was warned by the church that I needed to make sure I waited until the divorce was final as he had left me for another woman, that way I would not sin. Now, I am not bitter, but what is good for the goose, should be good for the gander. I am sure if his wife started seeing a man right now, they would be probably beating down her door to reminder her of the scriptures.

Now this man is saying that if you have kept Todd and his very apparent sin in the forefront in order to keep the body of Christ from not being deceived, you need to be sued. Is this is what he is saying? Here is my equally logical question: Since we have been deceived by Mr. Bentley, can we sue him and those who backed him up? He did lie, deceive, some people would call that being a scam artist. What do you think Poly? Should he really disobey the scriptures further, bring a lawsuit in the Church and open themselves up for some really bad publicity, maring further their already dirty reputation? I think as usual, someone got a really big mouth and just wanted to hear himself type.

Geeze Louise, where does this guy get his logic, not from the Holy Spirit that is for sure. Okay, count me crazy if you want to, but I was under the assumption if your still married and you start a relationship that draws your attention and affections away from your spouse, that is called adultery. When my husband left me, I was warned by the church that I needed to make sure I waited until the divorce was final as he had left me for another woman, that way I would not sin. Now, I am not bitter, but what is good for the goose, should be good for the gander. I am sure if his wife started seeing a man right now, they would be probably beating down her door to reminder her of the scriptures.

Now this man is saying that if you have kept Todd and his very apparent sin in the forefront in order to keep the body of Christ from not being deceived, you need to be sued. Is this is what he is saying? Here is my equally logical question: Since we have been deceived by Mr. Bentley, can we sue him and those who backed him up? He did lie, deceive, some people would call that being a scam artist. What do you think Poly? Should he really disobey the scriptures further, bring a lawsuit in the Church and open themselves up for some really bad publicity, maring further their already dirty reputation? I think as usual, someone got a really big mouth and just wanted to hear himself type.

Thanks for blogging this. I thought peter kirk was simply uninformed. Miriam at Endtimes was ‘debating’ with him, but peter kirk was not listening, just accusing over and over. I finally caught on and found this 6 month old blog.
So peter kirk has been defending Todd and company all this time. What a totally self decieved Todd toy.
I would pity peter kirk,
except he is lying, deceiving and leading christians away from truth. That makes peter kirk as deceived and dangerous as Todd Bentley.
So sad.

On a good note, I am receiving thank you’s from people I warned about Todd Bentley. Though much damage was done by Todd, some heeded the warning.

Thanks for warning us Poly, of the deceitfull and dangerous Todd Bentley (and his buddy peter kirk).

Thanks for blogging this. I thought peter kirk was simply uninformed. Miriam at Endtimes was ‘debating’ with him, but peter kirk was not listening, just accusing over and over. I finally caught on and found this 6 month old blog.
So peter kirk has been defending Todd and company all this time. What a totally self decieved Todd toy.
I would pity peter kirk,
except he is lying, deceiving and leading christians away from truth. That makes peter kirk as deceived and dangerous as Todd Bentley.
So sad.

On a good note, I am receiving thank you’s from people I warned about Todd Bentley. Though much damage was done by Todd, some heeded the warning.

Thanks for warning us Poly, of the deceitfull and dangerous Todd Bentley (and his buddy peter kirk).

Now that is turnabout, Tammy – suing Todd B. for his scam. Ha! I agree with you about adultery. Christ said if you continue to look in lust, that’s it for you. Todd says know. It was to be a verified physical relationship that is a habit. Didn’t Bill Clinton say the same thing?

Randy, you are most welcome.

Now that is turnabout, Tammy – suing Todd B. for his scam. Ha! I agree with you about adultery. Christ said if you continue to look in lust, that’s it for you. Todd says know. It was to be a verified physical relationship that is a habit. Didn’t Bill Clinton say the same thing?

Randy, you are most welcome.

Reading a blog’s About page can be very illuminating.
Jeff

Reading a blog’s About page can be very illuminating.
Jeff

Jeff, sorry I haven’t responded earlier – I was hooked into helping someone move. Alms and all. I have not read Peter’s About page, but I will. I noticed Meadgate which seems Toddish.

I need to update mine, I reckon. Maybe I should do a contest or something to see who could write a good one?

Jeff, sorry I haven’t responded earlier – I was hooked into helping someone move. Alms and all. I have not read Peter’s About page, but I will. I noticed Meadgate which seems Toddish.

I need to update mine, I reckon. Maybe I should do a contest or something to see who could write a good one?

I got “gentle wisdomed” here:
http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=479
Should I sue for libel? (Just kidding.)

The About page is interesting:
http://www.qaya.org/blog/?page_id=2
I think this can be problematic in many ways unless of course it really is from God.

As far as defending Mr. Bentley, I think it can be a very complex phenomenon and we don’t know all of what’s at play, other than lack of discernment. People can have personal issues that can cause them to desperately want these things to be real. I don’t mean that in a harsh judgmental way. We never know what personal suffering and loss people have gone through to get them to where they are today. I have and still do suffer from chronic conditions and know it can skew our perspective. I suppose we’re all skewed though in many respects.

I think giving out a poop award was harsh.
Jeff

I got “gentle wisdomed” here:
http://www.qaya.org/blog/?p=479
Should I sue for libel? (Just kidding.)

The About page is interesting:
http://www.qaya.org/blog/?page_id=2
I think this can be problematic in many ways unless of course it really is from God.

As far as defending Mr. Bentley, I think it can be a very complex phenomenon and we don’t know all of what’s at play, other than lack of discernment. People can have personal issues that can cause them to desperately want these things to be real. I don’t mean that in a harsh judgmental way. We never know what personal suffering and loss people have gone through to get them to where they are today. I have and still do suffer from chronic conditions and know it can skew our perspective. I suppose we’re all skewed though in many respects.

I think giving out a poop award was harsh.
Jeff

Sue, and sue away. You might be able to get the blog itself. I have been on his blog once or twice concerning the Todd B, however, it bothers me that he thinks anyone who questions Todd is under demonic influence. What he needed, I reckon, was projection award.

Sue, and sue away. You might be able to get the blog itself. I have been on his blog once or twice concerning the Todd B, however, it bothers me that he thinks anyone who questions Todd is under demonic influence. What he needed, I reckon, was projection award.

Polycarp, I did not say that committing adultery once was not a sin. It is a sin. I said that doing this did not make one an “adulterer” according to my understanding of the English word. Definitions such as “One who commits adultery” (here), using the simple present tense, imply a continuing habit, not a single incident in the past. But the question is irrelevant as there is no evidence of Todd committing (physical) adultery even once.

But you are correct in your “accusation” that I am not married, a “sin” which you can also pin on Jesus Christ.

Before you sue me, you need to send me an official letter specifying what I have supposedly done wrong. Since, as far as I know, I have done nothing wrong in my blogging about Todd Bentley (apart from a couple of things I have retracted with apologies), I would be extremely surprised if you could get any libel suit even looked at seriously. The situation is different with unsubstantiated accusations of adultery and fraud.

Jeff, thanks for your conciliatory attitude.

Polycarp, I did not say that committing adultery once was not a sin. It is a sin. I said that doing this did not make one an “adulterer” according to my understanding of the English word. Definitions such as “One who commits adultery” (here), using the simple present tense, imply a continuing habit, not a single incident in the past. But the question is irrelevant as there is no evidence of Todd committing (physical) adultery even once.

But you are correct in your “accusation” that I am not married, a “sin” which you can also pin on Jesus Christ.

Before you sue me, you need to send me an official letter specifying what I have supposedly done wrong. Since, as far as I know, I have done nothing wrong in my blogging about Todd Bentley (apart from a couple of things I have retracted with apologies), I would be extremely surprised if you could get any libel suit even looked at seriously. The situation is different with unsubstantiated accusations of adultery and fraud.

Jeff, thanks for your conciliatory attitude.

Hello Peter Kirk, A question please. What about Jesus’ words about even looking on a woman with lust and having had committed adultery in their heart for just looking? Sounds to me like it has nothing to do with habit, but about disregard for the wonderful Grace God has given us.

My husband committed adultery while we were married and I really didn’t care whether it was one time or a habit, it still destroyed my trust. When a man or woman of God does these things, it destroys not only the spouses trust but also those who want to believe that they follow God. I do believe that when in the ministry God really does hold us so much more accountable than we would like.

I think the suing or threats of suing should be canned by all. What good will it do? I even repent of my statement about people suing Todd. I will turn it over to My God who has all the substantiated proof to handle this according to His will and not give Todd what he deserves. Suing within the church would be in total disregard for what God says.

How about if we let everyone blog their blogs, after all none of what has been blogged is a secret beforehand. This information is originally put out by others who hope it will be ignored? Let’s get real. All who write these things either on their ministry sites or in blogs or letters to partners want them to be read and commented upon. So everyone who doesn’t like the responses should either get some tougher skin or quit writing for all to see.

Having written this, I must say I butted in and wanted to ask the question above and respond. I am praying for Mr. Bentley, but whether I have or don’t have substantiated written proof of fraud or adultery, I know what the scriptures say and if he is still married and has any form of relationship going on with another woman, he is in adultery. If he forfitted time with God to drink alcohol to access and going against God’s ways by not being alone with God, and then get up in any pulpit and say He is moving under God’s authority and speaking God’s words, that is fraud my friend. Like it or not, God will not go schizo and change just because it will make us feel better. Since God has said vengence is His, He will repay, I will leave Mr. Bentley in God’s more than capable hands.

When it all started in Lakeland, I was praying for him and warned only to pray and not go there, I will continue. My comments in an earlier blog was from mistrust. I only trust God, every man is a liar in my sight. I am learning to discern the truth and until I know for sure, God gets my full attention and everyone else can wait while the jury is out because I don’t believe anyone just because they say something that sounds good. I have checked everything that Poly has written that I have read and he can tell you I have disagreed before and told him so, but all in all, he has not missed a beat, and I am proud to count him as my friend.

I do wish you well Peter and I pray you pick your friends wisely and watch your back as many will try to destroy you and it will be the ones you count closest (for example: Judas). Seek God and only Him. Support Todd if you are his real friend, but be careful what you say, as I think many have found out, he will have no problem embarrassing you publically. Until it is not only about what Todd wants, it will only be about what Todd wants. Restoration will break that down, but it will take time.

May God bless you my Brother in Christ.

Hello Peter Kirk, A question please. What about Jesus’ words about even looking on a woman with lust and having had committed adultery in their heart for just looking? Sounds to me like it has nothing to do with habit, but about disregard for the wonderful Grace God has given us.

My husband committed adultery while we were married and I really didn’t care whether it was one time or a habit, it still destroyed my trust. When a man or woman of God does these things, it destroys not only the spouses trust but also those who want to believe that they follow God. I do believe that when in the ministry God really does hold us so much more accountable than we would like.

I think the suing or threats of suing should be canned by all. What good will it do? I even repent of my statement about people suing Todd. I will turn it over to My God who has all the substantiated proof to handle this according to His will and not give Todd what he deserves. Suing within the church would be in total disregard for what God says.

How about if we let everyone blog their blogs, after all none of what has been blogged is a secret beforehand. This information is originally put out by others who hope it will be ignored? Let’s get real. All who write these things either on their ministry sites or in blogs or letters to partners want them to be read and commented upon. So everyone who doesn’t like the responses should either get some tougher skin or quit writing for all to see.

Having written this, I must say I butted in and wanted to ask the question above and respond. I am praying for Mr. Bentley, but whether I have or don’t have substantiated written proof of fraud or adultery, I know what the scriptures say and if he is still married and has any form of relationship going on with another woman, he is in adultery. If he forfitted time with God to drink alcohol to access and going against God’s ways by not being alone with God, and then get up in any pulpit and say He is moving under God’s authority and speaking God’s words, that is fraud my friend. Like it or not, God will not go schizo and change just because it will make us feel better. Since God has said vengence is His, He will repay, I will leave Mr. Bentley in God’s more than capable hands.

When it all started in Lakeland, I was praying for him and warned only to pray and not go there, I will continue. My comments in an earlier blog was from mistrust. I only trust God, every man is a liar in my sight. I am learning to discern the truth and until I know for sure, God gets my full attention and everyone else can wait while the jury is out because I don’t believe anyone just because they say something that sounds good. I have checked everything that Poly has written that I have read and he can tell you I have disagreed before and told him so, but all in all, he has not missed a beat, and I am proud to count him as my friend.

I do wish you well Peter and I pray you pick your friends wisely and watch your back as many will try to destroy you and it will be the ones you count closest (for example: Judas). Seek God and only Him. Support Todd if you are his real friend, but be careful what you say, as I think many have found out, he will have no problem embarrassing you publically. Until it is not only about what Todd wants, it will only be about what Todd wants. Restoration will break that down, but it will take time.

May God bless you my Brother in Christ.

Peter, if you commit adultery, you are an adulterer, whether you do it once of twice. In the Law, it was not a habit that needed to be proved, but one instance. Christ gave us a higher standard than ‘physical’. He said that it was to be a second look at a woman with lust. Peter, intercourse is no longer need to be an adulterer, than what do you think leaving your wife for another woman is?

Did I say that a unmarried man is a sin? Paul praised those that could do that. Sounds like slander and libel to me, Peter.

You do realize, Peter, that I could care less about slander or lawsuits against me or me against you. Please, by all means, say as you wish about me. I believe fully in the Freedom of Speech. Consider this your Hyde Park.

Peter, if you commit adultery, you are an adulterer, whether you do it once of twice. In the Law, it was not a habit that needed to be proved, but one instance. Christ gave us a higher standard than ‘physical’. He said that it was to be a second look at a woman with lust. Peter, intercourse is no longer need to be an adulterer, than what do you think leaving your wife for another woman is?

Did I say that a unmarried man is a sin? Paul praised those that could do that. Sounds like slander and libel to me, Peter.

You do realize, Peter, that I could care less about slander or lawsuits against me or me against you. Please, by all means, say as you wish about me. I believe fully in the Freedom of Speech. Consider this your Hyde Park.

Peter Kirk is British, and the British have a particularly different view of libel than the USA. In Britain, it’s rather easy for a public figure to make an accusation of libel and collect a judgment, whereas a defendant actually winning a case is quite difficult. To get an idea of how hard, one might take a few minutes and perurse the Guardian UK’s media law news page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medialaw .

US libel law is substantially different than UK law. If Todd Bentley were to sue here, he’d have to overcome some fairly high barriers. First of all, truth is an absolute defense to libel here in the USA. I rather doubt that Bentley could get past that, considering the evidence already out there. Then he’d have to get over the public figure exception (and he’s most definitely a public figure, he forced himself into the public eye) and have to show that Scotteriology wrote what he did out of malice.

Let’s just say that the chances of this happening are like the survival chances of a snowball in hell. Peter Kirk can whinge all he wants, but the evidence is there that Bentley was involved in less than seemly activities. And I’d also point out that an accusation of libel by a public figure these days is only likely to cause the story to be spread even further than it was originally.

Peter Kirk would do well to contact Todd Bentley directly and ask for the truth, so that he doesn’t look quite so much like a dupe to the blog-reading public.

Peter Kirk is British, and the British have a particularly different view of libel than the USA. In Britain, it’s rather easy for a public figure to make an accusation of libel and collect a judgment, whereas a defendant actually winning a case is quite difficult. To get an idea of how hard, one might take a few minutes and perurse the Guardian UK’s media law news page: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/medialaw .

US libel law is substantially different than UK law. If Todd Bentley were to sue here, he’d have to overcome some fairly high barriers. First of all, truth is an absolute defense to libel here in the USA. I rather doubt that Bentley could get past that, considering the evidence already out there. Then he’d have to get over the public figure exception (and he’s most definitely a public figure, he forced himself into the public eye) and have to show that Scotteriology wrote what he did out of malice.

Let’s just say that the chances of this happening are like the survival chances of a snowball in hell. Peter Kirk can whinge all he wants, but the evidence is there that Bentley was involved in less than seemly activities. And I’d also point out that an accusation of libel by a public figure these days is only likely to cause the story to be spread even further than it was originally.

Peter Kirk would do well to contact Todd Bentley directly and ask for the truth, so that he doesn’t look quite so much like a dupe to the blog-reading public.

Mirele, I believe that you are right concerning Mr. Kirk and Mr. Bentley. Logically, I do not understand the way that some people still hold to Todd B, even against his own statements, the fruits, and most of all, what the bible says.

Mirele, I believe that you are right concerning Mr. Kirk and Mr. Bentley. Logically, I do not understand the way that some people still hold to Todd B, even against his own statements, the fruits, and most of all, what the bible says.

Tammy and Polycarp, as I wrote somewhere else recently, let any man who is innocent of this adultery “in his heart”, who has never looked lustfully at any woman, man or child, cast the first stone at Todd. Or for that matter any woman who has never longed to be in the company of some sportsman or film star rather than her husband.

“if he is still married and has any form of relationship going on with another woman, he is in adultery” – Come off it! Isn’t it possible for men and women to relate as friends and as brothers and sisters in Christ without this being adultery?

But thank you, Tammy, for your prayers.

By the way, I was never serious about libel threats, but here in England if not in the USA what I have seen written about Todd could, if he wanted to sue, gain him substantial damages (but, of course, also additional publicity). There is no public figure defence here. But, Mirele, there is no evidence out there of physical adultery, just a lot of baseless speculation, so that would not be a barrier.

Tammy and Polycarp, as I wrote somewhere else recently, let any man who is innocent of this adultery “in his heart”, who has never looked lustfully at any woman, man or child, cast the first stone at Todd. Or for that matter any woman who has never longed to be in the company of some sportsman or film star rather than her husband.

“if he is still married and has any form of relationship going on with another woman, he is in adultery” – Come off it! Isn’t it possible for men and women to relate as friends and as brothers and sisters in Christ without this being adultery?

But thank you, Tammy, for your prayers.

By the way, I was never serious about libel threats, but here in England if not in the USA what I have seen written about Todd could, if he wanted to sue, gain him substantial damages (but, of course, also additional publicity). There is no public figure defence here. But, Mirele, there is no evidence out there of physical adultery, just a lot of baseless speculation, so that would not be a barrier.

Peter, I take it that no matter what – unless you witnessed the act three of four times yourself – you will disagree with anyone, even God Himself that Todd committed adultery. We are not talking about women and sports stars and men with women. We are talking about Todd. And Sin. Todd committed adultery by biblical standards, leaving his wife and children to be with another woman. This was not friendship, but adultery. Biblical. Simple.

Peter, I take it that no matter what – unless you witnessed the act three of four times yourself – you will disagree with anyone, even God Himself that Todd committed adultery. We are not talking about women and sports stars and men with women. We are talking about Todd. And Sin. Todd committed adultery by biblical standards, leaving his wife and children to be with another woman. This was not friendship, but adultery. Biblical. Simple.

Peter, in the words of my pastor when someone wanted to be friends with me while my divorce was becoming final after my husband left me for another woman, “NO” it is not and will never be acceptable. A friendship should be with single or newly single again or divorcing people of the same gender. It is too high a risk for it to be mixed. Why tempt yourself with stupidity?

As far as lusting, I think everyone has, but at least if you ask them, they will admit it. I have not heard that from Todd. I also have to wonder because of your defense, if you have done and are doing the same thing, the so called friendship with other women thing.

Well, I am praying for you but can sense now through the Holy Spirit, this will be one of those issues that you would have wished you had actually went to the scriptures and taken them seriously. God will not be mocked by anyone for too long.

Peter, in the words of my pastor when someone wanted to be friends with me while my divorce was becoming final after my husband left me for another woman, “NO” it is not and will never be acceptable. A friendship should be with single or newly single again or divorcing people of the same gender. It is too high a risk for it to be mixed. Why tempt yourself with stupidity?

As far as lusting, I think everyone has, but at least if you ask them, they will admit it. I have not heard that from Todd. I also have to wonder because of your defense, if you have done and are doing the same thing, the so called friendship with other women thing.

Well, I am praying for you but can sense now through the Holy Spirit, this will be one of those issues that you would have wished you had actually went to the scriptures and taken them seriously. God will not be mocked by anyone for too long.

Tammy, if your pastor told you not even to be friends with your brothers in Christ, then he is going directly against the teaching of Jesus to “Love one another, as I have loved you”. It seems he needs to read the words I quoted here. You need to find a new pastor who takes the words of Jesus seriously.

But I agree with Todd that his relationship with a single woman so soon after separating from his wife was “inappropriate”, even though they may have never even touched one another. This may have been “adultery in his heart” even though it was probably not physical adultery.

I admit proudly, as a single man, to having single women friends, following Jesus’ teaching and example. I am careful, although not always 100% successful, to keep these friendships appropriate.

Tammy, if your pastor told you not even to be friends with your brothers in Christ, then he is going directly against the teaching of Jesus to “Love one another, as I have loved you”. It seems he needs to read the words I quoted here. You need to find a new pastor who takes the words of Jesus seriously.

But I agree with Todd that his relationship with a single woman so soon after separating from his wife was “inappropriate”, even though they may have never even touched one another. This may have been “adultery in his heart” even though it was probably not physical adultery.

I admit proudly, as a single man, to having single women friends, following Jesus’ teaching and example. I am careful, although not always 100% successful, to keep these friendships appropriate.

Peter, I am sure that in ‘friends’, Tammy means more than ‘friends’. No one here is saying that Todd B., or Tammy, or you or I, could not love another woman with Godly love, but when it becomes human love, and we are already committed to another, then we are sinning. More than that though is the Pastor’s concern for Tammy that she may find herself vulnerable, emotionally, during her divorce. This is a shepherd’s job to counsel against actions that may move someone into an inappropriate situation.

Todd began his relationship while still married, Peter. Remember, physical is no longer the qualifier to the commands of Christ.

Peter, I commend you on your ability to be single. That is still an admirable quality.

Peter, I am sure that in ‘friends’, Tammy means more than ‘friends’. No one here is saying that Todd B., or Tammy, or you or I, could not love another woman with Godly love, but when it becomes human love, and we are already committed to another, then we are sinning. More than that though is the Pastor’s concern for Tammy that she may find herself vulnerable, emotionally, during her divorce. This is a shepherd’s job to counsel against actions that may move someone into an inappropriate situation.

Todd began his relationship while still married, Peter. Remember, physical is no longer the qualifier to the commands of Christ.

Peter, I commend you on your ability to be single. That is still an admirable quality.

Thank you Poly. You expressed it very well for me.

Peter, my pastor was right on this issue. We have to guard our hearts no matter if we are single, married, separated or divorced. I have made many male friends, but let me make it clear, they are friends I see on Sunday morning and say hello to and may talk to, and if a group goes out, we are out with them. My female friends, following the example of Ruth with Naomi’s strict instructions to stay in the midst of the women, offer a source of protection, guidance and filling a need that is right in God’s eyes.

You said you were not 100% successful at keeping these relationships appropriate? Stay in the midst of the men, see the women only in mixed gatherings, not alone. Women are, according to the scriptures, the weaker vessels, it appears you are taking advantage of that for your own gain by not respecting them and yourself. What I write next may bring you some insight.

The man my pastor wanted to protect me from made a statement almost like the one you just made. He said it this way, “I can remain friends with you even though it would not bother me to screw up sometimes.” It seems you need to repent and get under your pastor, you need to be accountable.

I cannot believe I am having to explain this.

We have to keep our bodies pure. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. I like what Andrew Womack was teaching this week about hardening of the heart. You can love God and still have a place in your heart that is hardened to his ways. If you watch movies with sex in them or drugging and drinking in them, and not spend time with God in order to keep up your resistance, then you will not be able to fight temptation. Make sure you have not got a hardened heart in this issue. A man as intelligent as you should not need this explained so much.

Back to the Todd Issue and then I am finished and we all say Hallelujah!!!

I personally believe that Todd greatest wrong was living like he wanted, making what God calls sacred a mockery (ex: In the name of the Father, Son and Bam), and having little get togethers with movies and some drinking instead of putting everyone out when his wife was not there amd being alone with God. I believe if he had taken God seriously and truly feared Him, he would have been used by God so very greatly. But as it turns out, his own desires took over and now what a mess it caused. Christians have no credibility when they align themselves with men like him, why do you think so many treat him like the plaque. Though we are commanded to love our brothers, restoring him and putting him back out there could end up being more tragic than good. Even if he truly repents, because of how he mocked God and His Spirit, no one would want to go near him.

Thank you Poly. You expressed it very well for me.

Peter, my pastor was right on this issue. We have to guard our hearts no matter if we are single, married, separated or divorced. I have made many male friends, but let me make it clear, they are friends I see on Sunday morning and say hello to and may talk to, and if a group goes out, we are out with them. My female friends, following the example of Ruth with Naomi’s strict instructions to stay in the midst of the women, offer a source of protection, guidance and filling a need that is right in God’s eyes.

You said you were not 100% successful at keeping these relationships appropriate? Stay in the midst of the men, see the women only in mixed gatherings, not alone. Women are, according to the scriptures, the weaker vessels, it appears you are taking advantage of that for your own gain by not respecting them and yourself. What I write next may bring you some insight.

The man my pastor wanted to protect me from made a statement almost like the one you just made. He said it this way, “I can remain friends with you even though it would not bother me to screw up sometimes.” It seems you need to repent and get under your pastor, you need to be accountable.

I cannot believe I am having to explain this.

We have to keep our bodies pure. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. I like what Andrew Womack was teaching this week about hardening of the heart. You can love God and still have a place in your heart that is hardened to his ways. If you watch movies with sex in them or drugging and drinking in them, and not spend time with God in order to keep up your resistance, then you will not be able to fight temptation. Make sure you have not got a hardened heart in this issue. A man as intelligent as you should not need this explained so much.

Back to the Todd Issue and then I am finished and we all say Hallelujah!!!

I personally believe that Todd greatest wrong was living like he wanted, making what God calls sacred a mockery (ex: In the name of the Father, Son and Bam), and having little get togethers with movies and some drinking instead of putting everyone out when his wife was not there amd being alone with God. I believe if he had taken God seriously and truly feared Him, he would have been used by God so very greatly. But as it turns out, his own desires took over and now what a mess it caused. Christians have no credibility when they align themselves with men like him, why do you think so many treat him like the plaque. Though we are commanded to love our brothers, restoring him and putting him back out there could end up being more tragic than good. Even if he truly repents, because of how he mocked God and His Spirit, no one would want to go near him.

Peter, Tammy,

I would agree with Tammy’s statement here, except to add that Todd’s doctrine, the Joel’s Army, Latter Rain movement is also something to repent of.

Peter, Tammy,

I would agree with Tammy’s statement here, except to add that Todd’s doctrine, the Joel’s Army, Latter Rain movement is also something to repent of.

Tammy, I appreciate your pastor’s wise advice now that I realise that when you wrote “friends” you meant something different. But I wrote “not always 100% successful” about myself not because I was inviting a moralising sermon. I resent your words “it appears you are taking advantage of that for your own gain by not respecting them and yourself” as a completely unfounded allegation. And “It seems you need to repent and get under your pastor, you need to be accountable” is worse, an accusation of sin which is factually incorrect; I am actually in a very close accountability relationship with my pastor. Please withdraw these statements with apologies.

Tammy, I appreciate your pastor’s wise advice now that I realise that when you wrote “friends” you meant something different. But I wrote “not always 100% successful” about myself not because I was inviting a moralising sermon. I resent your words “it appears you are taking advantage of that for your own gain by not respecting them and yourself” as a completely unfounded allegation. And “It seems you need to repent and get under your pastor, you need to be accountable” is worse, an accusation of sin which is factually incorrect; I am actually in a very close accountability relationship with my pastor. Please withdraw these statements with apologies.

“I am careful, although not always 100% successful, to keep these friendships appropriate.” Peter, I apologize and withdraw all I have written even though you set yourself up for it.

You can dish some stuff out, but you sure can’t take it. You definitely do not need to be blogging. I know that when I write something in a blog or a response to a blog, I open myself up for what may come based on what I put out there. I dont wine until someone withdraws their statement. However, because I firmly believe you are wrong and deceived, I will do as you ask but only with the acknowledgement from you that you set yourself up for it. You need to get a tougher skin and you definitely need to learn when someone is trying to keep you falling into sin with a stern warning, not a moralizing sermon. I put myself into the position to warn only when I sense danger for someone. However, since you are not wanting neither, I have nothing else to say.

“I am careful, although not always 100% successful, to keep these friendships appropriate.” Peter, I apologize and withdraw all I have written even though you set yourself up for it.

You can dish some stuff out, but you sure can’t take it. You definitely do not need to be blogging. I know that when I write something in a blog or a response to a blog, I open myself up for what may come based on what I put out there. I dont wine until someone withdraws their statement. However, because I firmly believe you are wrong and deceived, I will do as you ask but only with the acknowledgement from you that you set yourself up for it. You need to get a tougher skin and you definitely need to learn when someone is trying to keep you falling into sin with a stern warning, not a moralizing sermon. I put myself into the position to warn only when I sense danger for someone. However, since you are not wanting neither, I have nothing else to say.

One more thing, when the disciples discovered that what they had to share was not accepted, they left shaking the dust off their feet. You should see my floor right now. Take care and God bless.

One more thing, when the disciples discovered that what they had to share was not accepted, they left shaking the dust off their feet. You should see my floor right now. Take care and God bless.

Tammy you inspire me!

Tammy you inspire me!

Thank you Deb!

Thank you Deb!

Thanks, Tammy. Apology accepted. Yes, perhaps I set myself up for it by acknowledging that I am not 100% perfect, something I rarely see from those who condemn Todd Bentley. I can take it from you, but when people actually misrepresent the facts, whether about me or about Todd, I call them out for it. I would expect the same from you.

But I am not happy with your follow-up comment about dust shaken off your feet. That suggests that you still consider that I should have accepted your advice based on a misunderstanding of the facts, and so are not sincerely withdrawing your misrepresentation of those facts.

Thanks, Tammy. Apology accepted. Yes, perhaps I set myself up for it by acknowledging that I am not 100% perfect, something I rarely see from those who condemn Todd Bentley. I can take it from you, but when people actually misrepresent the facts, whether about me or about Todd, I call them out for it. I would expect the same from you.

But I am not happy with your follow-up comment about dust shaken off your feet. That suggests that you still consider that I should have accepted your advice based on a misunderstanding of the facts, and so are not sincerely withdrawing your misrepresentation of those facts.

Take it as you wish.

Take it as you wish.

There is one thing you should know about me, I let things roll of my back. If you don’t want to take advice you don’t have to. I do wish you well Peter. Be at peace. If I am wrong, it won’t matter in the long run. If I am right, God will reveal it soon enough to you. I was just a messenger of what I felt led to write. Peace to you. Tata.

There is one thing you should know about me, I let things roll of my back. If you don’t want to take advice you don’t have to. I do wish you well Peter. Be at peace. If I am wrong, it won’t matter in the long run. If I am right, God will reveal it soon enough to you. I was just a messenger of what I felt led to write. Peace to you. Tata.

Tammy, I think that Peter’s worship of Todd has warped his outlook a bit. See the new article where he suggests an assassination may be good for Obama.

Tammy, I think that Peter’s worship of Todd has warped his outlook a bit. See the new article where he suggests an assassination may be good for Obama.

I read the title, I am almost afraid to read the blog.

Oh well, I take a look but I am almost afraid all the crazies, after the President lifted the ban on funding of international abortions, will come out and try. I do wish he had left that one alone. Oh well, more time in prayer.

I read the title, I am almost afraid to read the blog.

Oh well, I take a look but I am almost afraid all the crazies, after the President lifted the ban on funding of international abortions, will come out and try. I do wish he had left that one alone. Oh well, more time in prayer.

Well Hey Randy, nice to read you. I ran a long time ago, that is why I am still standing.

Well Hey Randy, nice to read you. I ran a long time ago, that is why I am still standing.