Comments on: Friday’s Question of the Day: Most Important Biblical Doctrine http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/ fides quaerens intellectum Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:26:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Points well made … « A True Believer's Blog http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10703 Points well made … « A True Believer's Blog Thu, 20 Aug 2009 05:59:47 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10703 [...] Polycarp, at The Church of Jesus Christ, asked “Friday’s Question of the Day: Most Important Biblical Doctrine“ [...] [...] Polycarp, at The Church of Jesus Christ, asked “Friday’s Question of the Day: Most Important Biblical Doctrine“ [...]

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10702 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:43:45 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10702 Joel, me too mate, we have grown together, over your blogs and discussions. Thanks... Fr. Robert Joel, me too mate, we have grown together, over your blogs and discussions. Thanks…
Fr. Robert

]]> By: Polycarp http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10701 Polycarp Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:37:51 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10701 Fr. Robert, I love to engage - therein I grow. Fr. Robert, I love to engage – therein I grow.

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10700 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:34:39 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10700 Sorry Joel, now ya have my mind & heart engaged!  Your good blog questions!  I will stop (for now). lol Sorry Joel, now ya have my mind & heart engaged!  Your good blog questions!  I will stop (for now). lol

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10699 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:30:36 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10699 I am not speaking of abandonment eternally, this all men or persons choose themselves (as CS Lewis says also). But of the unity of the Apostolic Church and its doctrine. It is for all, to all...Eph.4:3-6. But as verse seven: "But unto everyone of us is given grace "according" to the measure of the gift of Christ." The indwelling of God in the members of the Body, by pneuma theou! Fr. R. I am not speaking of abandonment eternally, this all men or persons choose themselves (as CS Lewis says also). But of the unity of the Apostolic Church and its doctrine. It is for all, to all…Eph.4:3-6. But as verse seven: “But unto everyone of us is given grace “according” to the measure of the gift of Christ.” The indwelling of God in the members of the Body, by pneuma theou!
Fr. R.

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10698 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:29:26 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10698 To my mind, this is Apostolic unity itself! Yes?  And would never abandon anyone!  Fr. R. To my mind, this is Apostolic unity itself! Yes?  And would never abandon anyone! 
Fr. R.

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10697 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 16:21:59 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10697 As I have maintained, the very nature of God is both transcendent and immanent. Both the "essential" or ontological and "immanent" Trinity. Thus the "economic" working of God triune must come out of this mystery. And here the Incarnation is forever real and lasting!  To use Augustine, we see this eternal love in the Father's love for the Son, and the Son's love for the Father; and the bond or "person" of this love is the Holy Spirit!  In Hebrews 9:14, we can see this triune redemptive love out-working on the Cross. Itself the heart & mind of eternal love!  (1 John 4:9-10) Fr. R. As I have maintained, the very nature of God is both transcendent and immanent. Both the “essential” or ontological and “immanent” Trinity. Thus the “economic” working of God triune must come out of this mystery. And here the Incarnation is forever real and lasting!  To use Augustine, we see this eternal love in the Father’s love for the Son, and the Son’s love for the Father; and the bond or “person” of this love is the Holy Spirit!  In Hebrews 9:14, we can see this triune redemptive love out-working on the Cross. Itself the heart & mind of eternal love!  (1 John 4:9-10)
Fr. R.

]]> By: Polycarp http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10683 Polycarp Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:21:57 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10683 Ah, yes, Fr. Robert, I believe we are now speaking semantics. The Deity of Christ is important only because of the Incarnation. When I speak of the Deity of Christ, I speak of the Incarnation. In the Incarnation, we find Grace and the Resurrection. Ah, yes, Fr. Robert, I believe we are now speaking semantics. The Deity of Christ is important only because of the Incarnation. When I speak of the Deity of Christ, I speak of the Incarnation. In the Incarnation, we find Grace and the Resurrection.

]]> By: YITLOG http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10696 YITLOG Sun, 16 Aug 2009 03:21:16 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10696 And here is that common ground! Unity of the faith does not mean uniformity... (<em>paraphrasing,adding to- Ravi Zachararias</em> ) God was manifested and came in the flesh! 1 Timothy 3:16 -1 John 4:1-3 and that's that!     And here is that common ground!
Unity of the faith does not mean uniformity… (paraphrasing,adding to- Ravi Zachararias )
God was manifested and came in the flesh! 1 Timothy 3:16 -1 John 4:1-3 and that’s that!
 
 

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10688 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:20:59 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10688 Joel mate, Ya know I love the Trinity of God!  I had to add this, as Jordan Wilson. Fr. R. Joel mate,
Ya know I love the Trinity of God!  I had to add this, as Jordan Wilson.
Fr. R.

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10695 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 02:14:33 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10695 The Incarnation of Christ dovetails into the Triune nature and reality of God also!  He is forever "the image of the invisible God"!  (Col.1:15) Christ is the Archetype of God. (Heb.1:3 / Eph.2:18) And here the Spirit "shall bear witness" and testify forever! (St. John 15:26) And to and in us also...St. John 14:16-17 / 2 Cor. 3:18.   Fr. R. The Incarnation of Christ dovetails into the Triune nature and reality of God also!  He is forever ”the image of the invisible God”!  (Col.1:15) Christ is the Archetype of God. (Heb.1:3 / Eph.2:18) And here the Spirit ”shall bear witness” and testify forever! (St. John 15:26) And to and in us also…St. John 14:16-17 / 2 Cor. 3:18.  
Fr. R.

]]> By: Fr. Robert http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10692 Fr. Robert Sun, 16 Aug 2009 01:31:42 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10692 Joel, For me it would be the Incarnation!  This takes us to everything else...Gethsemane, Calvary, Resurrection and so important Ascension!  We must not think that Christ has come, died and then risen back into the inaccessible abode of deity. No HE has suffered, died, risen and ascended to the place of the Father's throne. There forever in eternity to display the love, grace and mercy of God!  There is no reversal or undoing of the Incarnation...The God-Man forever! "He being one Son, dual in nature, not dual in person. Wherefore, we do confess, preaching the truth that Christ our God is perfect God and perfect Man." ~ Troparion of the Resurrection (Orthodoxy)  "For such a High Priest was fitting for us, which is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens."  + Hebrews 7:26 Fr. Robert Joel,
For me it would be the Incarnation!  This takes us to everything else…Gethsemane, Calvary, Resurrection and so important Ascension!  We must not think that Christ has come, died and then risen back into the inaccessible abode of deity. No HE has suffered, died, risen and ascended to the place of the Father’s throne. There forever in eternity to display the love, grace and mercy of God!  There is no reversal or undoing of the Incarnation…The God-Man forever!
“He being one Son, dual in nature, not dual in person. Wherefore, we do confess, preaching the truth that Christ our God is perfect God and perfect Man.” ~ Troparion of the Resurrection (Orthodoxy)
 ”For such a High Priest was fitting for us, which is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and has become higher than the heavens.”  + Hebrews 7:26

Fr. Robert

]]> By: YITLOG http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10684 YITLOG Sat, 15 Aug 2009 19:35:35 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10684 The deity of  Christ-Phillipians 2:4-10... No one denies that he is God manifested in the flesh... How say some that 2:6 means that he emptied (kenosis) himself of his deity? Did not the fullness of the God-hood dwell him bodily-Colossians 2:9 Didn't he only lay aside the glory that he had with the father before the foundation of the world? John 17:5 I am remembering something taught in church-that i once to believed.That Jesus has two natures.How can he have two natures since he was not <em>semenally</em> a seed of Adam-though he is the son of  Mary? <em>Should i move the questions to the discussion page</em>? The deity of  Christ-Phillipians 2:4-10… No one denies that he is God manifested in the flesh…
How say some that 2:6 means that he emptied (kenosis) himself of his deity? Did not the fullness of the God-hood dwell him bodily-Colossians 2:9
Didn’t he only lay aside the glory that he had with the father before the foundation of the world? John 17:5
I am remembering something taught in church-that i once to believed.That Jesus has two natures.How can he have two natures since he was not semenally a seed of Adam-though he is the son of  Mary?
Should i move the questions to the discussion page?

]]> By: Polycarp http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10685 Polycarp Sat, 15 Aug 2009 11:33:13 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10685 For me, it is always the deity of Christ which is the most important. It is here which I can begin to dialogue with others to find some common ground, to straigthen other things out. For me, it is always the deity of Christ which is the most important. It is here which I can begin to dialogue with others to find some common ground, to straigthen other things out.

]]> By: YITLOG http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10690 YITLOG Sat, 15 Aug 2009 07:10:32 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10690 Then again Polycarp-the biblical doctrine of the virgin birth of Jesus-is the most important teaching of scripture in soul winning... It explains how Jesus is Holy and separate from sinners and so he is able to save all sinners... Having one <em>nature</em>.The one and the same nature as God his Father-he is indeed sinless...The fullness of the God-hood dwells not in any man-save Jesus.The Jews understood perfectly well what he was saying here (John 5:17,18) What is also understood-is that our (mankind) nature/character comes from our <em>first</em> father Adam... What is not understood-is how two or perhaps three can be called  " I AM "       Then again Polycarp-the biblical doctrine of the virgin birth of Jesus-is the most important teaching of scripture in soul winning… It explains how Jesus is Holy and separate from sinners and so he is able to save all sinners…
Having one nature.The one and the same nature as God his Father-he is indeed sinless…The fullness of the God-hood dwells not in any man-save Jesus.The Jews understood perfectly well what he was saying here (John 5:17,18)
What is also understood-is that our (mankind) nature/character comes from our first father Adam… What is not understood-is how two or perhaps three can be called  ” I AM ”
 
 
 

]]> By: Jordan Wilson http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10691 Jordan Wilson Sat, 15 Aug 2009 03:04:20 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10691 The Trinity. Without it we'd still be Jews... The Trinity. Without it we’d still be Jews…

]]> By: YITLOG http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10694 YITLOG Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:47:10 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10694 I agree with Wickle,Newtaste and Rod...Salvation by Grace-through faith alone: and the bodily resurrection of Jesus... I agree with Wickle,Newtaste and Rod…Salvation by Grace-through faith alone: and the bodily resurrection of Jesus…

]]> By: Polycarp http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10693 Polycarp Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:57:20 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10693 Thanks, Gentlemen, for participating. I have been to get me a new laptop, do some grocery shopping, etc... so I while I am reading this, it is difficult to participate fully. I shall return. Thanks, Gentlemen, for participating. I have been to get me a new laptop, do some grocery shopping, etc… so I while I am reading this, it is difficult to participate fully. I shall return.

]]> By: Rod http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10689 Rod Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:08:15 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10689 I am with Wickle.  The bodily resurrection is the most important doctrine.  It is the center of our faith, our hope and evidence of God's love for us.  But that is just from a theology of hope perspective. :) I am with Wickle.  The bodily resurrection is the most important doctrine.  It is the center of our faith, our hope and evidence of God’s love for us.  But that is just from a theology of hope perspective. :)

]]> By: Newtaste http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10687 Newtaste Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:21:36 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10687 I have always considered the Resurrection the most important. It was rising from the dead after 3 days that was the reason Jesus came to earth <em>(mostly)</em>. Easter Sunday is the highlight of the Catholic year <em>(not Good Friday or Christmas as some Catholics seem to think).</em> I have always considered the Resurrection the most important. It was rising from the dead after 3 days that was the reason Jesus came to earth (mostly). Easter Sunday is the highlight of the Catholic year (not Good Friday or Christmas as some Catholics seem to think).

]]> By: Wickle http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/fridays-question-of-the-day-most-important-biblical-doctrine/#comment-10686 Wickle Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:21:27 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11173#comment-10686 I'll be honest, I'm not a fan of these questions, for the simple reason that I think that there are too many important things for there to be one favorite among them. However, were I to pick one, I suppose it would be either the resurrection from the dead (based on the fact that that's the whole point of faith, and Paul said that if not for that, our faith is pointless) or salvation by grace alone, not works. That takes away most of the stuff that threatens to pervert our faith into something else, like politics. Or, you know, it could be devotion to the one-true-chosen-nation of God, the good old U S of A. (So says the APB.) I’ll be honest, I’m not a fan of these questions, for the simple reason that I think that there are too many important things for there to be one favorite among them.
However, were I to pick one, I suppose it would be either the resurrection from the dead (based on the fact that that’s the whole point of faith, and Paul said that if not for that, our faith is pointless) or salvation by grace alone, not works. That takes away most of the stuff that threatens to pervert our faith into something else, like politics.
Or, you know, it could be devotion to the one-true-chosen-nation of God, the good old U S of A. (So says the APB.)

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