http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/obey-or-follow-hebrews-13-17/ fides quaerens intellectum Thu, 18 Mar 2010 11:18:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/obey-or-follow-hebrews-13-17/#comment-10853 To love, honour and obey: A translation issue « Castle of Nutshells Sat, 29 Aug 2009 00:14:21 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11573#comment-10853 [...] Joel wrote the other week (yes, I’m getting behind on Google Reader. So shoot me) on the Greek word often translated ‘obey’ (Πείθεσθε), and other words such as (submission). He wrote it in the context of obedience to church [...] [...] Joel wrote the other week (yes, I’m getting behind on Google Reader. So shoot me) on the Greek word often translated ‘obey’ (Πείθεσθε), and other words such as (submission). He wrote it in the context of obedience to church [...]

]]> http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/obey-or-follow-hebrews-13-17/#comment-10852 Fr. Robert Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:21:29 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11573#comment-10852 Joel, Yes, that is a caricature of both!  Ministry is both pastor-teacher, and never making one's self another person's conscience!  Only God and His word can do this in reality!  But it is always a spiritual or pneumatological truth, but within the balance of real Christian suffering. We must move beyond triumphalism! Fr. R. Joel,
Yes, that is a caricature of both!  Ministry is both pastor-teacher, and never making one’s self another person’s conscience!  Only God and His word can do this in reality!  But it is always a spiritual or pneumatological truth, but within the balance of real Christian suffering. We must move beyond triumphalism!
Fr. R.

]]> http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/obey-or-follow-hebrews-13-17/#comment-10850 Polycarp Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:40:00 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11573#comment-10850 Fr. Robert, I have no problem in being under the submission to the Church leadership, but people have stated that one goes to hell if we disobey. Does that not make the Pastor the mediator and not Christ? Fr. Robert, I have no problem in being under the submission to the Church leadership, but people have stated that one goes to hell if we disobey. Does that not make the Pastor the mediator and not Christ?

]]> http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/08/obey-or-follow-hebrews-13-17/#comment-10851 Fr. Robert Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:09:55 +0000 http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/?p=11573#comment-10851 Good luck Joel, or really find blessings (as you will) obey and follow your own biblical conscience!  Here in reality, is the one, holy, catholic & apostolic CHURCH, always a confessing body to both Old & New Covenant! Fr. R. Good luck Joel, or really find blessings (as you will) obey and follow your own biblical conscience!  Here in reality, is the one, holy, catholic & apostolic CHURCH, always a confessing body to both Old & New Covenant!
Fr. R.

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