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		<title>By: It&#8217;s A JMG Media Frenzy &#171; Daily News</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15061</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s A JMG Media Frenzy &#171; Daily News</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 21:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Many other wingnut sites have have reprinted the above stories, here&#8217;s a few: Dakota Voice, Free Republic, Free Republic (again), Patriots &amp; Liberty, (Interestingly, one conservative religious blog came to my defense.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Many other wingnut sites have have reprinted the above stories, here&#8217;s a few: Dakota Voice, Free Republic, Free Republic (again), Patriots &amp; Liberty, (Interestingly, one conservative religious blog came to my defense.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15058</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a concerted effort, Robert, to be like the One I try to follow. I don&#039;t always succeed, don&#039;t even come close, but I am trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a concerted effort, Robert, to be like the One I try to follow. I don&#8217;t always succeed, don&#8217;t even come close, but I am trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15057</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a big huge gay atheist, but Joel puts some pretty interesting stuff up here.  Sometimes. :)  LOL! j/k, Joel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a big huge gay atheist, but Joel puts some pretty interesting stuff up here.  Sometimes. <img src='http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   LOL! j/k, Joel.</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15052</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understood exactly what you meant! Don&#039;t worry, I have spell checker and grammar checker and still mess everything up from time to time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understood exactly what you meant! Don&#8217;t worry, I have spell checker and grammar checker and still mess everything up from time to time!</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15051</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Well?, I appreciate it.</description>
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		<title>By: Well, I'm checking it out</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15050</link>
		<dc:creator>Well, I'm checking it out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops...&quot;kerfuffle!&quot; (right?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops&#8230;&#8221;kerfuffle!&#8221; (right?)</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15048</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I am not. If you remember, when liberals attacks conservatives for the allusion to &#039;slitting throats&#039; I stood against that. It think the idea of cyberpolicing is wrong and it should not be used as a weapon to silence critics. 

I feel that I am fair on this issue. When the Liberal Group tried to do it to Conservative Group, I spoke out against that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I am not. If you remember, when liberals attacks conservatives for the allusion to &#8217;slitting throats&#8217; I stood against that. It think the idea of cyberpolicing is wrong and it should not be used as a weapon to silence critics. </p>
<p>I feel that I am fair on this issue. When the Liberal Group tried to do it to Conservative Group, I spoke out against that.</p>
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		<title>By: Well, I'm checking it out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Well, I'm checking it out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m gay, agnostic...and because of your very humane response to this whole kerfufle, I will be checking out the rest of this blog...who knows, you may very well convince me of something!  I look forward to reading...thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m gay, agnostic&#8230;and because of your very humane response to this whole kerfufle, I will be checking out the rest of this blog&#8230;who knows, you may very well convince me of something!  I look forward to reading&#8230;thanks</p>
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		<title>By: wbmoore</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15045</link>
		<dc:creator>wbmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh wait, that IS what you&#039;re doing....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh wait, that IS what you&#8217;re doing&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: wbmoore</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15044</link>
		<dc:creator>wbmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 17:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is interesting is that had this been conservative people making the comments and liberals doing the calling of the cops, I have a feeling you would have been in favor of that, spanking the hands of the conservatives and giving props to the liberals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is interesting is that had this been conservative people making the comments and liberals doing the calling of the cops, I have a feeling you would have been in favor of that, spanking the hands of the conservatives and giving props to the liberals.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15036</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Dorothy! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Dorothy! <img src='http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15031</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:42:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Dorothy.</description>
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		<title>By: Dorothy</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15027</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorothy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for posting this.  The fact that a few yahoos posted inappropriate comments on a website certainly does not constitute &quot;terrorism&quot; -- and yes, folks on the right have had similar issues with postings and comments. 

I agree with you - we do not need the cyber police here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for posting this.  The fact that a few yahoos posted inappropriate comments on a website certainly does not constitute &#8220;terrorism&#8221; &#8212; and yes, folks on the right have had similar issues with postings and comments. </p>
<p>I agree with you &#8211; we do not need the cyber police here.</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha, Dan!</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15012</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 02:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My bad, I see where you stand.  My first thoughts were that you were speaking on the actual government parties, ie, the majority vs minority deal, not the &quot;common folk.&quot;

I completely agree, civil rights should never be in the hands of the people&#039;s majority, but in the hands of the government&#039;s majority, which is Democratic now.

Yet we still same to be making the same amount of unprogress with the majority power.

The problem - which we both agree on - is that the government is washing their hands clean of these issues by throwing them to the states, just like the government did in an attempt of save face with abolitionist and the well, crazy slave owners.  If we keep this up, only God knows what will happen next, but either way it won&#039;t be pretty...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My bad, I see where you stand.  My first thoughts were that you were speaking on the actual government parties, ie, the majority vs minority deal, not the &#8220;common folk.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely agree, civil rights should never be in the hands of the people&#8217;s majority, but in the hands of the government&#8217;s majority, which is Democratic now.</p>
<p>Yet we still same to be making the same amount of unprogress with the majority power.</p>
<p>The problem &#8211; which we both agree on &#8211; is that the government is washing their hands clean of these issues by throwing them to the states, just like the government did in an attempt of save face with abolitionist and the well, crazy slave owners.  If we keep this up, only God knows what will happen next, but either way it won&#8217;t be pretty&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15007</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Further, we don&#039;t allow one group of people to decide the civil rights of another, or don&#039;t you respect the rule of Law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Further, we don&#8217;t allow one group of people to decide the civil rights of another, or don&#8217;t you respect the rule of Law?</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15006</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, have you read the Founding Fathers? They didn&#039;t set up a democracy. 

I mean, these were the same fellows who proclaimed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone and kept men, women and children like chattel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, have you read the Founding Fathers? They didn&#8217;t set up a democracy. </p>
<p>I mean, these were the same fellows who proclaimed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for everyone and kept men, women and children like chattel.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-15005</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 01:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polycarp, really?

&quot;...angst over the fact that many feel that civil rights has become an issue to be decided by a majority – something our Founders would not have approved of.&quot;

Soo... was it a tiny minority who decided to overthrow the British occupation here or was it the majority?

Isn&#039;t the foundation of democracy based on majority rule?

Didn&#039;t we get the ball rolling a lot faster when the &quot;majority&quot; ruled in favor of CIvil RIghts in the 60s, rather than the minority?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polycarp, really?</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;angst over the fact that many feel that civil rights has become an issue to be decided by a majority – something our Founders would not have approved of.&#8221;</p>
<p>Soo&#8230; was it a tiny minority who decided to overthrow the British occupation here or was it the majority?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t the foundation of democracy based on majority rule?</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t we get the ball rolling a lot faster when the &#8220;majority&#8221; ruled in favor of CIvil RIghts in the 60s, rather than the minority?</p>
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		<title>By: Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/11/new-attacks-against-bloggers-fbi-called-on-one-bloggers-comment/#comment-14986</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I believe that what we see are hypocrites a lot of times. I had hoped to receive more comments on this, but alas, the &#039;homosexual&#039; issue might have scared them. After rereading the comments posted on Joe&#039;s site, I don&#039;t see an advertisement for rebellion, but angst over the fact that many feel that civil rights has become an issue to be decided by a majority - something our Founders would not have approved of. 

Further, we are seeing that with the rise of the greatest democratization tool - the internet - more and more people are becoming cyber-police. People are starting to try to curb freedom of speech in such a manner as to stifle real freedom. 

I do hope that more people comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I believe that what we see are hypocrites a lot of times. I had hoped to receive more comments on this, but alas, the &#8216;homosexual&#8217; issue might have scared them. After rereading the comments posted on Joe&#8217;s site, I don&#8217;t see an advertisement for rebellion, but angst over the fact that many feel that civil rights has become an issue to be decided by a majority &#8211; something our Founders would not have approved of. </p>
<p>Further, we are seeing that with the rise of the greatest democratization tool &#8211; the internet &#8211; more and more people are becoming cyber-police. People are starting to try to curb freedom of speech in such a manner as to stifle real freedom. </p>
<p>I do hope that more people comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 03:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really glad you posted this, and also that you posted this particular version of the story.  

The Right has a long and storied history of couching violent threats (which all-too-often result in violent actions) in what they proclaim to be free speech.  Everyone from the KKK to these AFTAH bastards have created an environment where it&#039;s okay to use lynch-speech against gay people (and others with whom they disagree); now that these same unsavory tactics are being employed by the traditionally oppressed minority, the already-inflammatory AFTAH people are calling the FBI.

All while only recently this same batch of Christians protested the Matthew Shepard Act under the cry of &quot;thought crimes&quot; and fear-mongering centered around the speech of pastors from the pulpits, which often includes graphic exposition on how gay people (and others) are going to spend an eternity in fiery torment with demons torturing us relentlessly.  I can&#039;t think of anything more terroristic than that--and these pastors, as you well know, mean every venomous word of what they&#039;re saying.  There&#039;s a solid precedent for violent actions by followers acting under the guile of this belief--actions which have destroyed and claimed lives in what can only be described as a Cold War Crusade.

Now, AFTAH is fulfilling their own paranoid predictions about thought crimes in an interesting reversal of roles.  I&#039;ve been a very regular reader of Joe.My.God for over a year and have never read a comment that I thought was sincerely an incitement to violence or genuine support of militant action by the gay community.  But just like the fight for African American civil rights produced two factions intent on the same goals (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. vs. Malcolm X), I fear that if extremist hate groups like AFTAH are left unchecked, the same philosophical disparity will emerge in what has been been a REMARKABLY peaceful gay rights movement.  There are already far fringe groups within the gay community (Bash Back is one) which are attracting the most disenfranchised of our youth.

The potentially disastrous results of a violent movement will hurt everyone.  Like 99.5% of the gay community, I do not advocate a militant approach to long-deserved civil equality.  How will the Christian community (which includes sizable overlap with the LGBT sphere) assist those on my side in keeping a peaceful discourse?  Ask your pastors.  I&#039;d love to hear their responses…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really glad you posted this, and also that you posted this particular version of the story.  </p>
<p>The Right has a long and storied history of couching violent threats (which all-too-often result in violent actions) in what they proclaim to be free speech.  Everyone from the KKK to these AFTAH bastards have created an environment where it&#8217;s okay to use lynch-speech against gay people (and others with whom they disagree); now that these same unsavory tactics are being employed by the traditionally oppressed minority, the already-inflammatory AFTAH people are calling the FBI.</p>
<p>All while only recently this same batch of Christians protested the Matthew Shepard Act under the cry of &#8220;thought crimes&#8221; and fear-mongering centered around the speech of pastors from the pulpits, which often includes graphic exposition on how gay people (and others) are going to spend an eternity in fiery torment with demons torturing us relentlessly.  I can&#8217;t think of anything more terroristic than that&#8211;and these pastors, as you well know, mean every venomous word of what they&#8217;re saying.  There&#8217;s a solid precedent for violent actions by followers acting under the guile of this belief&#8211;actions which have destroyed and claimed lives in what can only be described as a Cold War Crusade.</p>
<p>Now, AFTAH is fulfilling their own paranoid predictions about thought crimes in an interesting reversal of roles.  I&#8217;ve been a very regular reader of Joe.My.God for over a year and have never read a comment that I thought was sincerely an incitement to violence or genuine support of militant action by the gay community.  But just like the fight for African American civil rights produced two factions intent on the same goals (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. vs. Malcolm X), I fear that if extremist hate groups like AFTAH are left unchecked, the same philosophical disparity will emerge in what has been been a REMARKABLY peaceful gay rights movement.  There are already far fringe groups within the gay community (Bash Back is one) which are attracting the most disenfranchised of our youth.</p>
<p>The potentially disastrous results of a violent movement will hurt everyone.  Like 99.5% of the gay community, I do not advocate a militant approach to long-deserved civil equality.  How will the Christian community (which includes sizable overlap with the LGBT sphere) assist those on my side in keeping a peaceful discourse?  Ask your pastors.  I&#8217;d love to hear their responses…</p>
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