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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21156</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Traitor? Treasonous?</description>
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		<title>Comment on Is There A Christian Privilege? by WKen</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/is-there-a-christian-privilege/#comment-21154</link>
		<dc:creator>WKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it&#039;s because I live in NH, but I&#039;m very skeptical of the claims that cars are being vandalized for having atheist stuff. I certainly see enough of those around.

On the other hand, there is a segment that certainly demands Christian privilege -- stamping on money, demanding that cashiers say &quot;Merry Christmas,&quot; etc.. Whether they get it might depend on where they are.

In other places, though, you&#039;re surely right about atheist privilege. There are places where we&#039;re treated like fruit loops for believing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s because I live in NH, but I&#8217;m very skeptical of the claims that cars are being vandalized for having atheist stuff. I certainly see enough of those around.</p>
<p>On the other hand, there is a segment that certainly demands Christian privilege &#8212; stamping on money, demanding that cashiers say &#8220;Merry Christmas,&#8221; etc.. Whether they get it might depend on where they are.</p>
<p>In other places, though, you&#8217;re surely right about atheist privilege. There are places where we&#8217;re treated like fruit loops for believing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Why isn&#8217;t Her Voice being heard? by J. K. Gayle</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/why-isnt-her-voice-being-heard/#comment-21153</link>
		<dc:creator>J. K. Gayle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 16:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Polycarp, for the link but even more for your thoughtful and very thought provoking questions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Polycarp, for the link but even more for your thoughtful and very thought provoking questions!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by WKen</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21152</link>
		<dc:creator>WKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 15:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deranged lunatic?

Madman?

Dangerous agitator?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deranged lunatic?</p>
<p>Madman?</p>
<p>Dangerous agitator?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21150</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look, we cannot call him a Christian - I will not call him and American, and I have questions about his humanity. What else are we going to call him?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, we cannot call him a Christian &#8211; I will not call him and American, and I have questions about his humanity. What else are we going to call him?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by WKen</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21149</link>
		<dc:creator>WKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see, this is exactly the problem ... Beck is addicted to the adoration he gets from &quot;exposing&quot; this stuff.

Just as he has had his other addictions. Beck isn&#039;t even serving himself well, much less anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see, this is exactly the problem &#8230; Beck is addicted to the adoration he gets from &#8220;exposing&#8221; this stuff.</p>
<p>Just as he has had his other addictions. Beck isn&#8217;t even serving himself well, much less anyone else.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by WKen</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21148</link>
		<dc:creator>WKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 14:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry ... my apologies to all 16-year-old punks.

You&#039;re right, that was totally uncalled for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry &#8230; my apologies to all 16-year-old punks.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, that was totally uncalled for.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21146</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They say that when you start heavy drunking/drug use, your maturity level stays at that moment. 

He trade one drug, the narcotic, for another one, the destruction of the United States of America. He sold everything he had for the first one, and is selling everything we have for the second one. The first one burned out his soul, so the second one comes really easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They say that when you start heavy drunking/drug use, your maturity level stays at that moment. </p>
<p>He trade one drug, the narcotic, for another one, the destruction of the United States of America. He sold everything he had for the first one, and is selling everything we have for the second one. The first one burned out his soul, so the second one comes really easy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21145</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 12:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Darren, I myself would like to see Glenn go. As a matter of fact, if he did go, I am pretty sure the world would be a better place for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Darren, I myself would like to see Glenn go. As a matter of fact, if he did go, I am pretty sure the world would be a better place for us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Darren</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21144</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 10:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>haha go Glenn!  Van Jones take II.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha go Glenn!  Van Jones take II.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by PG</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21143</link>
		<dc:creator>PG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 08:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please leave the 16-year-old punks alone, there&#039;s no need to insult them like this!</description>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by WKen</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21142</link>
		<dc:creator>WKen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 05:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He&#039;s trash-talking?

Seriously ... trash-talking?

Is Beck actually a 16-year-old punk?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s trash-talking?</p>
<p>Seriously &#8230; trash-talking?</p>
<p>Is Beck actually a 16-year-old punk?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21141</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 02:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, kind sir.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Glenn Beck Operates on God&#8217;s Time and Threatens Jim Wallis by Craig</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/glenn-beck-operates-on-gods-time-and-threatens-jim-wallis/#comment-21140</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Say, Glenn, isn’t the hammer a symbol of communism?&lt;/i&gt;

HA!  Classic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Say, Glenn, isn’t the hammer a symbol of communism?</i></p>
<p>HA!  Classic!</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Naked Church &#8211; No, Really, Like Really Naked by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/the-naked-church-no-really-like-really-naked/#comment-21139</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 01:05:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would agree, Steph - too much nudity in public.</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Naked Church &#8211; No, Really, Like Really Naked by steph</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/the-naked-church-no-really-like-really-naked/#comment-21138</link>
		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Probably not Deb.  Methinks the church means well but gets it wrong but perhaps it would make Jesus chuckle before he told them to get dressed.  But nudity is nothing to be shocked about - just the degree of flab.  Anyway there&#039;s plenty of nudity in public, if not always complete it&#039;s as good as.  Just go to the gym, the beach, the street - not much to the imagination.  If you don&#039;t like their church, don&#039;t go there but they&#039;re not mocking so don&#039;t condemn them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably not Deb.  Methinks the church means well but gets it wrong but perhaps it would make Jesus chuckle before he told them to get dressed.  But nudity is nothing to be shocked about &#8211; just the degree of flab.  Anyway there&#8217;s plenty of nudity in public, if not always complete it&#8217;s as good as.  Just go to the gym, the beach, the street &#8211; not much to the imagination.  If you don&#8217;t like their church, don&#8217;t go there but they&#8217;re not mocking so don&#8217;t condemn them.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Naked Church &#8211; No, Really, Like Really Naked by Polycarp</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/the-naked-church-no-really-like-really-naked/#comment-21137</link>
		<dc:creator>Polycarp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Mar 2010 00:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would tend to say that the nakedness of Christ was a point of humiliation - different than humility - especially at His death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to say that the nakedness of Christ was a point of humiliation &#8211; different than humility &#8211; especially at His death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Naked Church &#8211; No, Really, Like Really Naked by Deb</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2010/03/the-naked-church-no-really-like-really-naked/#comment-21136</link>
		<dc:creator>Deb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 22:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jesus was naked at major points in his life? I don&#039;t think that was his idea,Maybe nudity in your house, but not in public,,,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jesus was naked at major points in his life? I don&#8217;t think that was his idea,Maybe nudity in your house, but not in public,,,</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lutherans Apologize to the Mennonites by Fr. Robert (Anglican)</title>
		<link>http://thechurchofjesuschrist.us/2009/10/lutherans-apologize-to-the-mennonites/#comment-21135</link>
		<dc:creator>Fr. Robert (Anglican)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 21:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I wrote a blog post on &quot;Postmodernity&quot; some months back..(irishanglican.wordpress.com). I am very aware of the many ideas afoot with modernism, postmodern, deconstruction, etc. Also true theological study is a real discipline &amp; work, and not something done lightly. Like the G. Orthodox teach, there are sadly few real &quot;theologians&quot; in the Church. It is something the whole Church should recognize, a true &quot;ecumenical&quot; reality.

And there is a biblical and historical aspect to &quot;Tradition&quot;. Even the Protestant Reformers knew this. As the Ecumenical Councils, etc. Indeed a real &quot;ecumenical&quot; spirit and search is rare in the Church today. But it must be done within the historical life of the Church also.

Best,
Fr. R.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I wrote a blog post on &#8220;Postmodernity&#8221; some months back..(irishanglican.wordpress.com). I am very aware of the many ideas afoot with modernism, postmodern, deconstruction, etc. Also true theological study is a real discipline &amp; work, and not something done lightly. Like the G. Orthodox teach, there are sadly few real &#8220;theologians&#8221; in the Church. It is something the whole Church should recognize, a true &#8220;ecumenical&#8221; reality.</p>
<p>And there is a biblical and historical aspect to &#8220;Tradition&#8221;. Even the Protestant Reformers knew this. As the Ecumenical Councils, etc. Indeed a real &#8220;ecumenical&#8221; spirit and search is rare in the Church today. But it must be done within the historical life of the Church also.</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Fr. R.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lutherans Apologize to the Mennonites by David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 19:17:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would acknowledge that Bauckham does make some weak presuppositions, most notably over Papias and the authorship of the Gospel of John, and it is odd yet interesting how he will meticulously prove some things, and yet climb out on a limb with others. However, many people do this. Perhaps it&#039;s human nature. I enjoy following his thought processes; they&#039;re certainly preferable to the sloppy conjecture and derivative mass-publishings of &quot;biblical scholar&quot; and agnostic, Bart Ehrman. 

I am no spring chicken...I am in my late 40s. But I look at life a little differently. Firstly, modernism and postmodernism can be tricky words. The form critics were modernists and they made a lot of presuppositions as to the Gospel, so I would contend that modernism is not necessarily as enlightened or accurate as once believed. The use of the word postmodernism is tricky than, especially for those who do not study philosophy or theology. 

In the US, postmodern &quot;subjectivism&quot; is what I view as problematic, but I hardly feel defeated by it. It is a non-intellectual movement that I feel is a fad...a retro-return to the &quot;it&#039;s all good&quot;, &quot;happiness is a state of mind&quot; shallow thinking of the 70s. Trite, happy &quot;truisms&quot; that one would usually associate with a sales pep talk or a motivational diet technique has been elevated as if possessed some metaphysical properties and the &quot;truisms&quot; are taken literally!

I am a positive person, but it&#039;s &quot;not all good&quot;. Happiness is an emotion, and it&#039;s not healthy to feel that life is about one emotion...particularly one&#039;s own happiness. It&#039;s the same stuff from the  70s, regurgitated by people on Facebook or followers of any word that comes out of Oprah Winfrey&#039;s mouth. 

As I alluded to previously, many that fall for this are not satisfied with it when faced with more serious issues, the realities of the world. Many are unaware of what Jesus actually said, and they are just turned off by the dogmatic &quot;we are right everyone else is wrong&quot; attitude that has unfortunately been incorrectly expressed by too many Christians. 

Since God&#039;s love is of a world-view, I find it important that churches express more of a common ground. We live now in a society where no one wants to hear Jesus quoted, but they will listen to pop-culture celebrities and &#039;spiritual gurus&quot; that literally steal many of the Bible&#039;s teachings and simply change a few words. 

But I don&#039;t feel defeated about it all, since I know that God is in control. Our job is not to tire, but to continue to preach the Gospel. I hold that faith in Jesus Christ and his teachings are primary. 

I would suspect we have greatly different views concerning creation, the role of women (a scriptural debate is not the purpose of this particular post, although I could present one), and other matters. 

My point, that I will reiterate is that a basic ecumenism between the churches seems mandatory in my view. 
To that end, I try to accomplish something with regards to Christian ecumenism everyday. 

We are not saved by passing a theological test. Theologians have their purpose and their weaknesses. 

So to bring end to this point, I would reiterate that ecumenism...finding common ground through prayer and faith in Jesus Christ is very important to our Christian callings. 

I may not subscribe to Calvin&#039;s theories of predestination, I may not agree with a Creationist, or someone who views the Bible as &quot;inerrant&quot;. But I do believe that we are called to teach the Gospel of Christ. 

It seems to me that many churches get lost in the same type of dogmatic legalism of the Sadducees or the loftiness of the Pharisees. 

I live in a world where it is important just to share a quote from Jesus, because so many haven&#039;t heard much of what He said. Either their parents never taught them, or they have heard quotes from elsewhere in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. 

So I read these posts and I come across someone like Susan, who seems to &quot;get&quot; the point of ecumenism, without lessoning the tradition of her own faith. It&#039;s the short, &quot;oh, I think this sounds clever witty&quot; flippant comments that bother me. Flippant comments are generally made by flippant people. As the quote from Romans points out, it is better to think soberly on these matters. 

So I end with where I began, thinking much the way Luther did...we are beggars for the mercy and wisdom of God. 
If i only have a certain amount of time, it is best that I use it for those who have not heard the Gospel presented in any complete form. Theology is is interesting to me, but it&#039;s not for everyone, in terms of deep study. 

Many need more than theological arguments and certainly they need more than &quot;the power of positive thinking&quot;.
One need only read the trite quotes posted on Oprah Winfrey&#039;s page (I only know because someone Facebooked them to me)and then look at the people in Haiti or Africa or Asia, or even in my own country and see how this empty, neo-new age thought falls far short of what people truly need. 

I am saying denominationalism is really a good thing, since people will inevitably disagree on interpretations. However, if we stand united as Christians in love, than we are One, though we are many. 

God Bless Everyone!

David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would acknowledge that Bauckham does make some weak presuppositions, most notably over Papias and the authorship of the Gospel of John, and it is odd yet interesting how he will meticulously prove some things, and yet climb out on a limb with others. However, many people do this. Perhaps it&#8217;s human nature. I enjoy following his thought processes; they&#8217;re certainly preferable to the sloppy conjecture and derivative mass-publishings of &#8220;biblical scholar&#8221; and agnostic, Bart Ehrman. </p>
<p>I am no spring chicken&#8230;I am in my late 40s. But I look at life a little differently. Firstly, modernism and postmodernism can be tricky words. The form critics were modernists and they made a lot of presuppositions as to the Gospel, so I would contend that modernism is not necessarily as enlightened or accurate as once believed. The use of the word postmodernism is tricky than, especially for those who do not study philosophy or theology. </p>
<p>In the US, postmodern &#8220;subjectivism&#8221; is what I view as problematic, but I hardly feel defeated by it. It is a non-intellectual movement that I feel is a fad&#8230;a retro-return to the &#8220;it&#8217;s all good&#8221;, &#8220;happiness is a state of mind&#8221; shallow thinking of the 70s. Trite, happy &#8220;truisms&#8221; that one would usually associate with a sales pep talk or a motivational diet technique has been elevated as if possessed some metaphysical properties and the &#8220;truisms&#8221; are taken literally!</p>
<p>I am a positive person, but it&#8217;s &#8220;not all good&#8221;. Happiness is an emotion, and it&#8217;s not healthy to feel that life is about one emotion&#8230;particularly one&#8217;s own happiness. It&#8217;s the same stuff from the  70s, regurgitated by people on Facebook or followers of any word that comes out of Oprah Winfrey&#8217;s mouth. </p>
<p>As I alluded to previously, many that fall for this are not satisfied with it when faced with more serious issues, the realities of the world. Many are unaware of what Jesus actually said, and they are just turned off by the dogmatic &#8220;we are right everyone else is wrong&#8221; attitude that has unfortunately been incorrectly expressed by too many Christians. </p>
<p>Since God&#8217;s love is of a world-view, I find it important that churches express more of a common ground. We live now in a society where no one wants to hear Jesus quoted, but they will listen to pop-culture celebrities and &#8217;spiritual gurus&#8221; that literally steal many of the Bible&#8217;s teachings and simply change a few words. </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t feel defeated about it all, since I know that God is in control. Our job is not to tire, but to continue to preach the Gospel. I hold that faith in Jesus Christ and his teachings are primary. </p>
<p>I would suspect we have greatly different views concerning creation, the role of women (a scriptural debate is not the purpose of this particular post, although I could present one), and other matters. </p>
<p>My point, that I will reiterate is that a basic ecumenism between the churches seems mandatory in my view.<br />
To that end, I try to accomplish something with regards to Christian ecumenism everyday. </p>
<p>We are not saved by passing a theological test. Theologians have their purpose and their weaknesses. </p>
<p>So to bring end to this point, I would reiterate that ecumenism&#8230;finding common ground through prayer and faith in Jesus Christ is very important to our Christian callings. </p>
<p>I may not subscribe to Calvin&#8217;s theories of predestination, I may not agree with a Creationist, or someone who views the Bible as &#8220;inerrant&#8221;. But I do believe that we are called to teach the Gospel of Christ. </p>
<p>It seems to me that many churches get lost in the same type of dogmatic legalism of the Sadducees or the loftiness of the Pharisees. </p>
<p>I live in a world where it is important just to share a quote from Jesus, because so many haven&#8217;t heard much of what He said. Either their parents never taught them, or they have heard quotes from elsewhere in the Bible, particularly the Old Testament. </p>
<p>So I read these posts and I come across someone like Susan, who seems to &#8220;get&#8221; the point of ecumenism, without lessoning the tradition of her own faith. It&#8217;s the short, &#8220;oh, I think this sounds clever witty&#8221; flippant comments that bother me. Flippant comments are generally made by flippant people. As the quote from Romans points out, it is better to think soberly on these matters. </p>
<p>So I end with where I began, thinking much the way Luther did&#8230;we are beggars for the mercy and wisdom of God.<br />
If i only have a certain amount of time, it is best that I use it for those who have not heard the Gospel presented in any complete form. Theology is is interesting to me, but it&#8217;s not for everyone, in terms of deep study. </p>
<p>Many need more than theological arguments and certainly they need more than &#8220;the power of positive thinking&#8221;.<br />
One need only read the trite quotes posted on Oprah Winfrey&#8217;s page (I only know because someone Facebooked them to me)and then look at the people in Haiti or Africa or Asia, or even in my own country and see how this empty, neo-new age thought falls far short of what people truly need. </p>
<p>I am saying denominationalism is really a good thing, since people will inevitably disagree on interpretations. However, if we stand united as Christians in love, than we are One, though we are many. </p>
<p>God Bless Everyone!</p>
<p>David</p>
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		<dc:creator>steph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their intention was not to mock, Jesus was naked at major points in his life and personally nudity doesn&#039;t seem wrong at all.  However for purity reasons I&#039;d rather not sit on a seat sat on before by another&#039;s bare bum and I think this particular example highlights the need for some americans to lose weight for health&#039;s sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their intention was not to mock, Jesus was naked at major points in his life and personally nudity doesn&#8217;t seem wrong at all.  However for purity reasons I&#8217;d rather not sit on a seat sat on before by another&#8217;s bare bum and I think this particular example highlights the need for some americans to lose weight for health&#8217;s sake.</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 18:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Lutherans Apologize to the Mennonites by Fr. Robert (Anglican)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 15:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

Sometimes the use of a powerful literary word is needed in such matters, and &quot;stupidity&quot; hits the nail on the head for me as I have seen the madness of the CoE, and just Anglicans in general. And since I am older, I have seen how the English speaking world has fallen from a Judeo-Christian world-view. It is most obvious, that the Church of God on earth is in a time of declination, and certainly a moral and spiritual downgrade. If one cannot see this? Then one is in deep trouble! Yes, postmodernism is the rule today, in Church and culture. The Church can no longer really affect the culture, at least in any major way. Yes, good and evil go down together until the end. But as our Lord said, shall He find faith on the earth when He returns? (Lk. 18:8)

Richard Bauckham is a good man, but he certainly has some weak biblical presuppositions in certain areas theologically. The issue of woman in the Church is both creational and theological in the biblical reality! (1 Tim.2:13-15 / Eph.5: 22-33).

Since I am a &quot;churchman&quot; and theolog type, we perhaps don&#039;t share the same view of the Church in the ecumenical sense. Though I can really appreciate the reality of the incarnate Body of Christ on earth. The real Church is the Body regenerate, but only God &quot;knows&quot; His own people. (2 Tim.2:19) The Church will be a &quot;mixed&quot; Body on earth till the Eschaton. And I am &quot;Calvinist&quot; in the aspect of grace &amp; glory!

Got to run..

Best,
Fr. Robert</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>Sometimes the use of a powerful literary word is needed in such matters, and &#8220;stupidity&#8221; hits the nail on the head for me as I have seen the madness of the CoE, and just Anglicans in general. And since I am older, I have seen how the English speaking world has fallen from a Judeo-Christian world-view. It is most obvious, that the Church of God on earth is in a time of declination, and certainly a moral and spiritual downgrade. If one cannot see this? Then one is in deep trouble! Yes, postmodernism is the rule today, in Church and culture. The Church can no longer really affect the culture, at least in any major way. Yes, good and evil go down together until the end. But as our Lord said, shall He find faith on the earth when He returns? (Lk. 18:8)</p>
<p>Richard Bauckham is a good man, but he certainly has some weak biblical presuppositions in certain areas theologically. The issue of woman in the Church is both creational and theological in the biblical reality! (1 Tim.2:13-15 / Eph.5: 22-33).</p>
<p>Since I am a &#8220;churchman&#8221; and theolog type, we perhaps don&#8217;t share the same view of the Church in the ecumenical sense. Though I can really appreciate the reality of the incarnate Body of Christ on earth. The real Church is the Body regenerate, but only God &#8220;knows&#8221; His own people. (2 Tim.2:19) The Church will be a &#8220;mixed&#8221; Body on earth till the Eschaton. And I am &#8220;Calvinist&#8221; in the aspect of grace &amp; glory!</p>
<p>Got to run..</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Fr. Robert</p>
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		<title>Comment on The religion of Michael Jackson by GodsChild</title>
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		<dc:creator>GodsChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 12:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It isn&#039;t that he didn&#039;t know God. I think it was a doctrine he was searching for. Order.  When asked about his gifts, he would always reply his gifts are from God.  He knew God but when you have all sorts of doctrines denominations pulling you this way and that way, I think that is where the confusion came in.  I know God and even I feel there are way too many denominations and they all say the other is lying and going to hell.  You want to say will the real church please stand up.  It&#039;s insane.  I think he has found all that matters is God.  None of the doctrines matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t that he didn&#8217;t know God. I think it was a doctrine he was searching for. Order.  When asked about his gifts, he would always reply his gifts are from God.  He knew God but when you have all sorts of doctrines denominations pulling you this way and that way, I think that is where the confusion came in.  I know God and even I feel there are way too many denominations and they all say the other is lying and going to hell.  You want to say will the real church please stand up.  It&#8217;s insane.  I think he has found all that matters is God.  None of the doctrines matter.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Dawkins &#8211; sainthood is Pythonesque by At an atheist convention in Melbourne yesterday, Richard Dawkins compared the awarding of sainthood to Australian nun Mary MacKillop to a Monty Python skit. &#124; eChurch Christian Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>At an atheist convention in Melbourne yesterday, Richard Dawkins compared the awarding of sainthood to Australian nun Mary MacKillop to a Monty Python skit. &#124; eChurch Christian Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Mar 2010 08:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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