Feb 22 2010

Review: Holy Smoke! Unholy Fire!

Category: Book ReviewPolycarp @ 11:59 am

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I want to thank Energion Publications for this review copy.

From the outset, several things are apparent. First, Dr. Robert C. McKibben is not writing to the hardened theologian, the pentecostal, or those with a balanced view of the work of the Spirit of God in the Church. Instead, he is writing a pastoral letter to those who he feels are abusing, or perhaps, not using properly, the gift of the Spirit.

First, the drawbacks. This is not a book written towards theologians, but one to be made use of the lay people. Because of this, I believe that those trying to find support for one position on the issue or another may not make use of this book. Simply put, I do not agree with several of his positions, as he takes the standard Billy Graham position on sanctification.

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Feb 11 2010

Quote of the Day: Studying the Spirit

Category: QuotesPolycarp @ 1:47 pm

I start with the premise that the Holy Spirit of God was sent to be experienced more than studied… – Dr. Robert C. McKibben

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Jan 07 2010

Discussions on the Spirit in the Blogosphere

Category: Baptism, GodheadPolycarp @ 12:59 pm

For those of you who are interested in such things, some corners of the blogosphere is abuzz with talk of the S/spirit in the early church. First, Charles Sullivan is doing a wonderful work in bringing to light ’speaking in tongues’ in the early Church.

As a break from Chapter 6 concerning the work of Epiphanius, I have posted these three chapters which cover the purpose and methodology of this publication.

It is posted on Scribd’s site here

It will be available here in html format when time permits.

I am interested in reading this when he is finished. Further, Dr. West is speaking to us from the dead, through Brian, with his review of Levinson’s book, Filled with the Spirit.

And finally, T.C. Robinson brings to light a discussion about the neglect of the Spirit today.

I find these discussion important for a variety of reasons, but more on that later.

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Nov 12 2009

Doctrinal Development and the Doctrine of the Holy Spirit

Category: Godhead, Gregory of Nazianzus, TheologyPolycarp @ 10:59 am

While much of the first four centuries of Church History concern the deity of Christ, His relationship with the Father, the nature of the union of God and Man, and even the generation of the Son, less attention was paid to the development of the Holy Spirit, or the 3rd Person of the Trinity. For most of the formative years, the Holy Spirit was not seen as a separate person, and indeed, during the great debates of the 4th century, was pushed to side as a topic. It was only after the council in 381 that a doctrine of the Spirit as an entity separate and distinct from the Father and the Son began to develop.

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Sep 30 2009

Can Liturgical Worship Parallel Spiritual Worship?

Category: DoctrinePolycarp @ 2:27 pm

See here and here.

The new NLT Mosaic is centered on the use of the Mosaic material, which is designed to work with the Church’s calender in a liturgical manner. Coming from a Baptist, Fundamentalist, Pentecostal-like background, I was taught of the vileness of the ritualistic Catholics. To have an agenda was paramount to worshiping the Pope. (No, I am not kidding) But, does Liturgy really fall into a ritual category? (Keep in mind, anything can be made a ritual if you work hard enough at it.)

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Aug 01 2009

The Charisma of John Chrysostom's Priesthood

Category: John ChrysostomPolycarp @ 7:59 pm

There stands the priest, not bringing down fire from Heaven, but the Holy Spirit: and he makes prolonged supplication, not that some flame sent down from on high may consume the offerings, but that grace descending on the sacrifice may thereby enlighten the souls of all, and render them more refulgent than silver purified by fire. Who can despise this most awful mystery, unless he is stark mad and senseless? Or do you not know that no human soul could have endured that fire in the sacrifice, but all would have been utterly consumed, had not the assistance of God’s grace been great. (On the Priesthood, 3.4)

(Thanks to James for the Quote).

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Apr 18 2009

New Mystics: The Church is not The 70’s Show

Category: False ProphetsPolycarp @ 8:57 pm

And, because treating the Spirit of God like a joint wasn’t enough, they now roll in butter. It is vulgar to watch, but if you dare…

Hint: The New Mystics are connected to the Third Wave folks at the NAR

HT

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Apr 13 2009

What do Satan, the Holy Spirit, and the Easter Bunny have in common?

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 10:51 pm

No one believes in them!

A new nationwide survey of adults’ spiritual beliefs, conducted by The Barna Group, suggests that Americans who consider themselves to be Christian have a diverse set of beliefs – but many of those beliefs are contradictory or, at least, inconsistent.

The survey explored beliefs about spiritual beings, the influence of faith on their life, views of the Bible, and reactions to faiths other than their own.

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Jan 13 2009

Theresa Phillips leaves tongues wagging – Disagrees with Paul and Irenaeus

Category: Joel's ArmyPolycarp @ 8:33 am

Theresa Phillips is a mostly unknown, except to John ‘Let’s Get High’ Crowder; but that doesn’t stop her from issuing royal decrees from the Throne. She focuses on the old charismatic stand-bys of ‘gifts of the spirit’ and ’speaking in tongues’ to declare someone holy. My comments are interspersed.

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Jan 13 2009

Irenaeus on the Spiritual Need of Speaking in Tongues

Category: Church Fathers, Godhead, IrenaeusPolycarp @ 8:31 am

The below comes from Irenaeus’ work, Against Heresies, 5.6.1. The Doctrine of Cessationism generally states that certain gifts enjoyed by the Church during the Apostolic days ceased shortly after their deaths. Irenaeus, a pupil of Polycarp, was born between 115 and 125, dying about 202. This book is placed around the year 180 and was written to defeat the first great doctrinal threat to the Church, Gnosticism. It is highly doubtful that Irenaeus wrote this in defense of glossolalia, but it serves that peculiar purpose well in that the ancient Apologist establishes that the Spiritual man is the perfect man, and in order to be perfected, one must ‘partake of the Spirit’. Irenaeus says, ‘The man is rendered spiritual and perfect because of the outpouring of the Spirit’.

We must be reminded that in Acts, as the Spirit fell upon the Jews, the Gentiles, and the disciples of John the Baptist, it was accompanied with speaking in tongues, or prophesying.

1. Now God shall be glorified in His handiwork, fitting it so as to be conformable to, and modeled after, His own Son. For by the hands of the Father, that is, by the Son and the Holy Spirit, man, and not [merely] a part of man, was made in the likeness of God[1]. Now the soul and the spirit are certainly a part of the man, but certainly not the man[2]; for the perfect man consists in the commingling and the union of the soul receiving the spirit of the Father, and the admixture of that fleshly nature which was molded after the image of God. For this reason does the apostle declare, “We speak wisdom among them that are perfect,” terming those persons “perfect” who have received the Spirit of God, and who through the Spirit of God do speak in all languages[3], as he used Himself also to speak. In like manner we do also hear[4] many brethren in the Church, who possess prophetic gifts[5], and who through the Spirit speak all kinds of languages, and bring to light for the general benefit the hidden things of men, and declare the mysteries of God, whom also the apostle terms “spiritual,” they being spiritual because they partake of the Spirit, and not because their flesh has been stripped off and taken away, and because they have become purely spiritual. For if anyone take away the substance of flesh, that is, of the handiwork [of God], and understand that which is purely spiritual, such then would not be a spiritual man but would be the spirit of a man, or the Spirit of God. But when the spirit here blended with the soul is united to [God’s] handiwork, the man is rendered spiritual and perfect because of the outpouring of the Spirit, and this is he who was made in the image and likeness of God[6]. But if the Spirit be wanting to the soul, he who is such is indeed of an animal nature, and being left carnal, shall be an imperfect being, possessing indeed the image [of God] in his formation (in plasmate), but not receiving the similitude through the Spirit; and thus is this being imperfect. Thus also, if any one take away the image and set aside the handiwork, he cannot then understand this as being a man, but as either some part of a man, as I have already said, or as something else than a man. For that flesh which has been molded is not a perfect man in itself, but the body of a man, and part of a man. Neither is the soul itself, considered apart by itself, the man; but it is the soul of a man, and part of a man. Neither is the spirit a man, for it is called the spirit, and not a man[7]; but the commingling and union of all these constitutes the perfect man. And for this cause does the apostle, explaining himself, make it clear that the saved man is a complete man as well as a spiritual man[8]; saying thus in the first Epistle to the Thessalonians, “Now the God of peace sanctify you perfect (perfectos); and may your spirit, and soul, and body be preserved whole without complaint to the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.” Now what was his object in praying that these three — that is, soul, body, and spirit — might be preserved to the coming of the Lord, unless he was aware of the [future] reintegration and union of the three, and [that they should be heirs of] one and the same salvation? For this cause also he declares that those are “the perfect” who present unto the Lord the three [component parts] without offence. Those, then, are the perfect who have had the Spirit of God remaining in them, and have preserved their souls and bodies blameless, holding fast the faith of God, that is, that faith which is [directed] towards God, and maintaining righteous dealings with respect to their neighbours.

We can see here in the words of Irenaeus that although he might place emphasis on speaking in tongues, he does not make it central to the Christian life or worship. It is something placed on the individual, and commended, but not established as a must at every gathering of the Church – as some today would make it.

I look forward to any discussion that might arise out of this posting.


[1] Note the application of the Son and Spirit as hands of God; See, The Two Hands of God.

[2] The soul and the spirit of man – his psyche and his life force – are not distinct or separate entities within the man. The same is with the Logos and the Sophia of God.

[3] Irenaeus begins a moment of what is commonly known as ‘speaking in tongues.’

[4] Old Latin has ‘have heard’, but this is not a result of cessationism.

[5] These had to be different than the Montanists of Tertullian’s liking, but still within the frame of the Apostles. Irenaeus died sometime around 202, which removes the idea of cessationism of certain gifts at the death of the Apostles

[6] Irenaeus seems to take the general ‘Oneness’ position that speaking in tongues is a sign of spiritual maturity, of spiritual perfection, in that it is by speaking in tongues that a man has been recreated in the image of God. He goes to say that if the man lacks the Spirit (of God) than the body is still in the image, and the man is of an animal nature. The man, albeit a Christian, is still imperfect without the Spirit, and the man with is Spiritual is the man who partake of the Spirit as manifested by speaking in tongues.

[7] Perhaps Irenaeus would agree with, ‘Neither is the Logos itself, apart by itself, considered God; but it is the Logos of man, and a part of man. Neither is the Pneuma itself, considered apart by itself, God; but it is the Pneuma of God and a part of God.’ So then, we still maintain an economic form of God.

[8] Would then Irenaeus agree with the general statement that speaking in tongues is the sign of salvation?

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