There is increasing concern about the end of the world and 2012, but what did Christ say would be the greatest deception of the last days? Check out this interesting article!
Nov 04 2009
Transsexual Jesus play sparks protests
As part of a Glasgow gay arts festival … Continue reading
Jul 07 2009
Can you explain away Christianity?
Two posts which are somewhat related – two questions for you to think about.
Let’s set it up:
Let’s say that Christianity is an imagined community from the ground up. No Resurrection of a political Jesus. No miracles. No signs and wonders. No fulfillment of prophecies. Let’s say that the earliest written accounts of this myth called the Son of God, Jesus, was made by a disenchanted Pharisee who took up the rallying cry of a dead Jew. Let’s just say that the biblical accounts of the Resurrection of Christ and the beginning of the Church from Pentecost onward is little more than children’s fairy tales, told to urge rebellion against Nero.
But, we have to answer the history provide for in the Talmud and in other secular sources. Further, while we may discount the miracles of Acts, let’s say we take for a moment the life of Paul – that disenchanted, no good, Pharisee. He preached a risen Christ 30 years after it was said to have happened. He was there, after all, then Stephen had his life exercised from him for speaking in that name of Jesus Christ. He must have known that Jesus was alive and well or dead and buried.
Yet, something happened to that Pharisee where he not only took up the banner of that dead rebel, but began to move it away from the Jewish roots to a combined system of Jew and Gentile, Male and Female, Bond and Free. And others joined him.
Of course, he met only a few of the close followers of the dead man. Surely, he would have not mistaken their deep seated ‘he is still with us’ mythology for an actual account of the Resurrection – not enough to rehearse it to a physician.
How can we explain away Christianity if there was a sudden explosion of this new myth which not only saw people willing die – those people that had heard the message of the rebellion from others – but also the closest followers of the decaying man? And what about this Paul fellow? He died too. He killed to prevent the message from being spread. Then he died to spread it.
We can explain away a few hundred people believing a man is a god or a lord, but can we explain thousands to tens of thousands of people who heard the message, who turned from killing to dying for it?
Here are those two articles -
So we are left with options. Either take the NT as it is, more or less; accept an historical analysis that raises more questions than it answers; . . . . or or or . . . .
And
Assuming its true, He’s God. He offers you a life that is radically different; he offers you the opportunity to live forever; he offers you the ability to live to the fullest imaginable extent, IF you buy into his presentation, assuming he really is who he says he is.
We hear an awfully lot about what the message of Christ cannot be true, why He was a really a political rebel, and ever increasing attacks upon our faith – yet, even if you take away the Scriptures, how can you explain away Christianity?
Jul 06 2009
Dress up like who? Obviously Jesus is not famous enough
Honestly, I thought it was a joke:
Church Army is making strides in spreading the word about Jesus with the re-launch of its mission magazine Share It! and a brand new website for Christians to tell the world what Jesus is doing in their community.
The Make Jesus Famous website has been set up to allow young
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May 18 2009
“Cheesus” Jesus Likeness Found In Cheetos Bag
I wish I was kidding…
In Dallas, Texas Dan and Sarah Bell discovered a Jesus shaped Cheeto as they began there road trip last week. Nicknaming the Cheeto “Cheesus,” Sarah noticed that one of the chips looked oddly familiar “I was putting them in my hand and I had eaten most of the ones in my hand, and one was left lying there. And I said, ‘Oh my gosh, look at this. It really looks like a person in a robe praying.”
CBS news reported the Cheeto in question is about 2 inches tall and missing a right arm. Other than that, one might see a distinct robe, long hair and a man praying. This isn’t the first time a Jesus Cheeto has shown up in the snack bag. Last year CNN reported on a similar Jesus Cheeto found in the bag of the popular snack.
Jan 30 2009
Once more to the brink – Jesus, Isa, and the Golden Calf
Recently, I have have the pleasure of a conversation regarding the use of Isa by Rick Warren during his ‘prayer’ at President Obama’s Inauguration.
I started here,and then moved on to here where the post began,
Peter Kirk, the Todd Bentley-ite who believes that Obama should allow himself to be assassinated to be considered great as responded to post concerning the use of ‘Isa’ by Rick Warren (which was originally a post from Ingrid at the Slice). (Why does Peter’s support for Rick not surprise me?) Peter claims,
The claim in the second paragraph quoted above is not true. I checked with a Palestinian Arab Christian, from a Roman Catholic background stretching back centuries. He confirmed my understanding (see also this comment) that “Isa” is the form of the name of Jesus which has been used by Arab Christians, or at least the great majority of them, since time immemorial. There may be some non-traditional Arab Christians who use “Yesua” but this form is never used in mainstream churches or Bible translations. “Isa” is also used by Christians in many, but not all, Muslim majority countries. This is what Rick Warren probably knows, and is the basis for what he explains in this YouTube video (sorry for the poor quality) apparently taken from a sermon yesterday.
Since then, as you can see, we have some serious conversations. Peter has even responded with a follow-up post. Peter has actually made good points,
WB, that’s a good question. But perhaps we should look first at Galatians 1:6-7, where Paul in a similarly rhetorical passage refers to “another gospel”, only to correct himself: there isn’t really another gospel, just a perverted version of the true gospel. His rhetoric is similar in 2 Corinthians 11:4. I doubt if he is really referring to another person (not even Jesus Barabbas, as in some MSS of Matthew 27:16,17). Rather “another Jesus” is a rhetorical way of saying “Jesus in another way”, not to be taken literally as referring to a separate person.
Now if you and Polycarp mean that “Isa” is “another person” in this same rhetorical sense, then fair enough. But you can’t mean it literally, unless you are seriously arguing for a “Life of Brian” type scenario in which there were two virgin births, two miracle working sons of Mariam (the New Testament Greek and Qur’anic form of “Mary”), and two people alive today in heaven. The Qur’an is not a true account of another person, but a distorted account of the same person, Jesus of Nazareth.
Doug Chaplin, at Metacatholic, has made an observation as well, which is why I want to clarify my position. I like Doug’s blog, and this is not a post against him. (I do, however, hope that he has lumped me in with the Fundamentalists that he talks about.) Doug asks, soundly,
Peter Kirk has been making some comments on what had otherwise passed me by. Rick Warren’s use of “Isa” as one name for Jesus had run into some fundamentalist criticism, since it is (among other uses) the name by which the Qur’an refers to him. I must admit that like the fundamentalists I too assumed a reference to the three Abrahamic faiths, with Hispanic culture also getting a nod. Unlike them, I thought this was in fact a good thing.
Now Tim Bulkeley reports from the other side of the world about the way Malaysian Catholics are fighting to protect the Christian right to go on calling God “Allah”.
In the US fundamentalists fight to stop using an Arabic name for Jesus, because (despite the many varieties of Arabic Christians) it’s a “Muslim” language. In Malaysia, Muslims fight to stop Christians using an Arabic name for God, because to them also Arabic is a “Muslim” language.
Does that define “unholy alliance”?
First, let me say again, I am against this public show prayers because in a democracy it is only right to appeal to the religions of the masses. So, let me clarify my position.
When Moses failed to come back down the mountain right away, the people went to Aaron. “Look,” they said, “make us some gods who can lead us. This man Moses, who brought us here from Egypt, has disappeared. We don’t know what has happened to him.” So Aaron said, “Tell your wives and sons and daughters to take off their gold earrings, and then bring them to me.” All the people obeyed Aaron and brought him their gold earrings. Then Aaron took the gold, melted it down, and molded and tooled it into the shape of a calf. The people exclaimed, “O Israel, these are the gods who brought you out of Egypt!” When Aaron saw how excited the people were about it, he built an altar in front of the calf and announced, “Tomorrow there will be a festival to the LORD!” (Exodus 32:1-5 NLT)
In my opinion, Muhammad pulled an Aaron. It was not about using different words here, such as Allah for God, but about creating a false idol and naming it ‘Isa’. The Israelites applied the name of God to the Golden Calf – a creation of men – and gave to it the glory reserved for God. The same, in my opinion is applied to the use of Isa by Muhammad. Muhammad’s creation is not the Jesus of the Bible, but a creation (or recreation) by a man seeking to remove the glory from God.
Peter has made several good points, and sane points, and some that I just cannot agree with – and I think him for his conversation. So have other commenters. My final thought is this – if we can reach someone concerning the true Christ by using the name applied to Him in thier culture, then fine – but a pastor who professes Christianity should know better than to associated the real Jesus with Muhammad’s Isa. That is my final word.
Jan 26 2009
The Jesus of Islam, the Muslim Christ, Rick Warren, and Isa.
Peter Kirk, the Todd Bentley-ite who believes that Obama should allow himself to be assassinated to be considered great as responded to post concerning the use of ‘Isa’ by Rick Warren (which was originally a post from Ingrid at the Slice). (Why does Peter’s support for Rick not surprise me?) Peter claims,
The claim in the second paragraph quoted above is not true. I checked with a Palestinian Arab Christian, from a Roman Catholic background stretching back centuries. He confirmed my understanding (see also this comment) that “Isa” is the form of the name of Jesus which has been used by Arab Christians, or at least the great majority of them, since time immemorial. There may be some non-traditional Arab Christians who use “Yesua” but this form is never used in mainstream churches or Bible translations. “Isa” is also used by Christians in many, but not all, Muslim majority countries. This is what Rick Warren probably knows, and is the basis for what he explains in this YouTube video (sorry for the poor quality) apparently taken from a sermon yesterday.
The problem is, is that the name ‘Isa’ for Jesus has been found only in the Qu’ran, and that have not existed since ‘time immemorial’.
According to Samuel Zwemer (The Jesus of Islam, the Muslim Christ, The Names of Jesus in Islam),
We turn now to consider what significance is attached to the proper names given by Moslems to our Lord, both as regards their form and their etymology.
The question why muhammad Mohammed used the word isa ÿIsa instead of yesua Yesuÿa, is more easily asked than answered. It is a stumbling-block to every Moslem convert who reads the Arabic Scriptures. Kamil Abd al Messiah, writing to Dr. Jessup from Aden after his conversion to Christianity, says: “Will you kindly send me a reply to this question: Why is Jesus styled isa ÿIsa in the Moslem books, and did this name exist among the Arabs before muhammad Mohammed’s time during the days of Ignorance?” 12
Dr. Jessup in his reply called attention to some of the explanations given. The first among them is that there is no particular significance in the form of the word, and that muhammad Mohammed invented it as a rhyming couplet to the name of Moses (Musa), in the same way as he changed the name of Goliath to Jalut, and that of Saul to Talut, apparently as a matter of rhythm, in the second chapter of the quran Koran (verses 248-253); and the names of the sons of Adam to Habil and Kabil in Moslem usage for Cain and Abel; or as he used the fanciful names, Harut and Marut, for the names of angels who taught men sorcery (Surah 2: 96). The difficulty with this theory is, as we have seen, that only in five cases is the name isa ÿIsa joined to that of Musa in the quran Koran text. In every other case there is no apparent reason for this particular form of the word because of the rhythm.
A second explanation given by some Arabic lexicographers is that the word has been deliberately formed by inverting the order of the letters in the Hebrew word yesua Yesuÿa. This explanation seems forced; nor can it be satisfactorily explained by the laws of etymology, for in reversing the letters not only are the vowels altered, but one of the weak consonants must be changed in yesua Yesuÿa to make isa ÿIsa. Beidhawi in his Commentary asserts that isa ÿIsa is the Arabic form of the Hebrew yesua Yesuÿa, and goes on to say that it comes from a root al ayos Al-ÿAyos, which signifies white mingled with red. 13
A fourth explanation is offered by Dr. Otto Pautz. 14 “The quran Koran expression isa ÿIsa corresponds with the Hebrew Esau, the name of the brother of Jacob (Israel). Because his descendants all through their history stood hostile over against the Israelities, who were the people of the promise, the later Jews caricatured the name of Jesus by making it Esau. muhammad Mohammed took this form of Esau from the Jews at Medina, without being conscious of the sinister import connected with the name in their minds.” We would like further proofs of this ingenious theory before accepting it, although it appears most plausible in view of all that muhammad Mohammed borrowed and adapted from Judaism. 15
(For more, click here.) According to the above author, it seems that even the Arabic scholars have a problem understanding Muhammad’s use of Isa. The issue of course, is not whether Isa is not used by Arabics, Christians or otherwise, to mean Jesus, but whether or not it is fitting and proper to do so.
If ‘Isa’ was invented by Muhammad to replace the Jesus of the Bible, then yes, Isa is improper.
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