Aug 31 2009

How to Explain the Religions of Abraham to the Hollywood Generation

Category: Islam, TechnologyPolycarp @ 12:28 pm

If you don’t like humor, don’t click below – and if you are reading it on the RSS feature, don’t go any further.

Admittedly, we live in a world where people worry more about Star Trek Canon (and something called star Wars or something like that) than they do about the natures of things eternal – so, while I do not pretend to like contemporize Christianity, I found this slightly humorous.

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Jul 11 2009

Mormonism and the Gift of Tongues

Category: MormonismPolycarp @ 5:59 pm

I believe in tongues – but not to the extent that others might, say in the Pentecostal/Charismatic circles, but this article is interesting in the fact that it shows (1) Mormonism experimented with tongues, (2) tongues was prevalent in the early 19th century, and did not begin in 1916 and many believe, and (3) the practice of ‘teaching’ tongues has not changed.

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Jul 10 2009

Geographic Distribution of Religious Groups

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 9:21 am

Following up on the post yesterday, we have another image of religious groups, this time, geographically. Click the image for a related story concerning the Southern Baptist Convention.

A few points that I would like to make:

While Catholicism is seemingly everywhere, the SBC is centralized in the South (makes sense really). Take another look – and you will see that for the most past, religious denominations are geographically centered. This does not mean that other denominations aren’t around, just that what is shown is the largest of that area. The Mormons are expects, really, like an outflow from Salt Lake. The ELCA is centered around historic Scandinavian populations.

Of course, there is that one county in Texas that does not have a religious group…

West Virginia, and a string all the way into Illinois, seems to ‘Other’ which I would guess would be some variant of Pentecostalism.

http://www.getreligion.org/?p=14022

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Feb 03 2009

Californica Secretary of State releases Prop 8 donors list; LDS calls $189,000 'chump change'

Category: Religion and PoliticsPolycarp @ 3:20 pm

Debra Bowen, the Secretary of State for California has made available the list of those that supported the Prop 8 campaign that would eliminate same-sex marriage in that state. Seems the LDS folks are doing their best to dismiss their $189,000 as ’small.’ Got love mixing politics and religion. Personally, I think that $189 grand would have best been served first buying proper theology books and throwing away the BoM or perhaps feeding the poor to set the example.

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Nov 11 2008

Jewish group wants Mormons to stop proxy baptisms

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 10:31 am

via Jewish group wants Mormons to stop proxy baptisms – Yahoo News

NEW YORK – Holocaust survivors said Monday they are through trying to negotiate with the Mormon church over posthumous baptisms of Jews killed in Nazi concentration camps, saying the church has repeatedly violated a 13-year-old agreement barring the practice.

Leaders of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints say they are making changes to their massive genealogical database that will make it more difficult for names of Holocaust victims to be entered for posthumous baptism by proxy, a rite that has been a common Mormon practice for more than a century.

But Ernest Michel, honorary chairman of the American Gathering of Holocaust Survivors, said that is not enough. At a news conference in New York City on Monday, he said the church also must “implement a mechanism to undo what you have done.”

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Oct 21 2008

Polygamy – Not Mormonism, nor religious in nature

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 7:35 pm

Side note – If gay marriage is allowed, will polygamy be far behind? What does polygamy do to families? And wouldn’t Americans be surprise that it is not limited to the fringe of Mormonism?

via Polygamy still a ‘huge problem’ for some Hmong families in Wausau; Nao Shoua Xiong renounces practice | wausaudailyherald.com | Wausau Daily Herald

The first thing Nao Shoua Xiong says about polygamy is that it is not part of Hmong culture.

“No. It’s an individual decision,” he said. “It is not encouraged by the Hmong people.”

Mai Moua, a director of the Hmong Women Leadership Institute in St. Paul, Minn., has a different take on the practice of taking multiple wives.

“In Laos, many Hmong men died fighting in the wars, and their widows were expected to marry their husbands’ younger brothers,” Moua wrote in her essay, “Hmong Women in the U.S.,” which appeared in the book “Asian American Women: Issues, Concerns, and Responsive Human and Civil Rights Advocacy.”

“Polygamy was not as common before the wars, but as male deaths increased and incomes increased for some men (often from payments for service to the CIA), the practice of buying younger wives became more prevalent,” she wrote.

But polygamy is not a remnant of the past.

“The issue is a huge problem for families we are serving,” said Jane Graham Jennings, the executive director of The Women’s Community in Wausau, which serves victims of domestic abuse. “But nobody will talk about it.”

Polygamy frequently is an issue with which abused Hmong women must contend.

“They’re fighting over the fact that their husbands are going back to Laos to get second wives,” Graham Jennings said.

Part of the reason for secrecy, she said, was that it is “not something that mainstream American culture accepts.”

It’s also illegal, and those factors drive discussion of the issue underground.

Hmong leaders also shy away from discussing polygamy because they fear racism — they worry that the entire culture will be judged by the actions of the few.

Xiong, 52, of Wausau is an exception. He speaks about his experience because he wants younger men to learn from it. Polygamy is bad for families, he contends, and he regrets marrying more than one woman at a time.

He divorced his first wife in 1981, and less than a year later, Xiong married Chee Lee. While he was married to Lee, he married Song Her Xiong in 1982 and took a third wife, Tria Yang, in 1986.

While living in a United Nations refugee camp in Thailand, Xiong learned he couldn’t have multiple wives and relocated to the United States. He divorced Lee and Yang in 1989 but remained legally married to Song Her Xiong.

“With all four of my marriages, I have a total of 18 children — 10 sons and eight daughters,” Xiong said. “I take full responsibility of caring and paying child support for my children who do not reside with me.”

Even now, Lee lives in the same home as Xiong and Song Her Xiong. Yang lives in California.

Although Xiong is proud of his children and his ability to support them all financially, if he had to live his life again, he wouldn’t marry more than one woman at a time.

“At that time, I didn’t know anything,” Xiong said. “When I came to this country, I saw the problems. … It’s very hard on the community, your children and the future.”

Xiong and other leaders in the Hmong community strongly discourage polygamy.

“Some men, they say, ‘Oh, I like that,’” Xiong said. “But it’s not good.”

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Oct 14 2008

Divorce, Custody and Religion

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 9:12 am

What worries me about this case, as I see it, is that it prohibits the free exercise of religion. I don’t particularly like Mormonism, however, I would not want a just to tell me what I can or cannot teach my children about God. Granted, they agreed to the stipulation, but if the stipulation is illegal, then the agreement should be void. It also gives the judge in this case to decide what is and what is not a Protestant religion.

via NWAnews.com :: Northwest Arkansas’ News Source

A Benton County father found in contempt for violating a custody agreement that barred him from promoting Mormonism to his two sons lost his appeal at the Arkansas Court of Appeals on Wednesday.

Joel Mark Rownak and Lisa Monette Rownak agreed in their 2005 divorce to raise their children “in the Protestant faith.” The decree bars them from promoting another religion without the other’s consent.

In May 2007, Benton County Circuit Judge John R. Scott found Joel Rownak in contempt of that decree based on evidence that Rownak had “candidly acknowledged” promoting the Mormon faith to his sons.

Rownak led his sons in Scripture reading and daily prayer, involved one son in Boy Scouts at a local Mormon church and had one son baptized at the church, according to an opinion written by Judge Sam Bird and agreed to by Judges John Robbins and Robert J. Gladwin.

Rownak argued the contempt finding violated his First Amendment rights, particularly the establishment clause that prohibits the state from discriminating against religion.

Bird wrote that the decree was a valid contract between parties and didn’t violate Rownak’s constitutional rights. He noted that Joel Rownak had requested the language to be included in the decree.

Joel Rownak testified that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints wasn’t a Protestant faith, and the court also considered evidence to that effect from the church’s Web site.

Lisa Rownak had objected to her ex-husband’s promoting Mormonism to their children.

In light of this evidence, Scott was correct in finding Joel Rownak in contempt of the divorce decree, Bird wrote.

At the appeals court, the case is CA 08-193, Joel Mark Rownak v. Lisa Monette Rownak.

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Sep 25 2008

Fast Facts about Mormonism

Category: Debate/DiscussionPolycarp @ 8:26 pm

Found this somewhere…thought it might be helpful at later date… I would like to build a small apologetics ‘database’, but we will see.

The following facts represent teachings that are either openly taught in the Mormon Church today, or that have been taught by the highest authorities of the Mormon Church. All quotes given are from official LDS publications or the Bible.

FACT #1 The Mormon Church teaches ALL other Churches are WRONG; ALL their creeds are an ABOMINATION in the sight of God; and ALL their teachers are corrupt.

One of the Mormon Books of Scripture, The Pearl of Great Price, says this about non-LDS churches:

“… they were ALL WRONG; and the Personage who addressed me said that ALL their creeds were an ABOMINATION in his sight; that those professors were ALL CORRUPT;…” (Joseph Smith 2:19).

FACT #2. Mormonism teaches there is no salvation outside the Mormon Church and no salvation without accepting Joseph Smith.

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie makes this statement:

“If it had not been for Joseph Smith and the restoration, there would be no salvation. There is no salvation outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 670)

The Bible, on the other hand, teaches salvation is in Jesus alone:

“Neither is there salvation in any other [Jesus]: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12)

To be fair, Cyprian, Bishop of Carthage, preached that there is no salvation outside the Church (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus), a statement ‘adopted’ by Rome and by other groups; however, Smith preached a restoration gospel that said that nothing of the Church existed after the Apostles.

FACT #3. Mormons are taught to doubt the reliability of the Bible and their leaders have consistently attacked its accuracy.

Joseph Smith claimed:

” … it was apparent that many important points touching the salvation of men, had been taken from the Bible, or lost before it was compiled.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.10)

The Bible answers this attack:

“The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.” (Isaiah 40:8)

Although the Mormons use the KJV, they use it with the statement, ‘correct as translated’. Smith issued his own translation that ‘enhanced’ the KJV with false Mormon doctrines.

FACT #4. A basic tenant in Mormonism today is that Jesus Christ is the brother of Satan.

Milton R. Hunter explains it like this:

“The appointment of Jesus to be the Savior of the world was contested by one of the other sons of God. He was called Lucifer,… this spirit-brother of Jesus desperately tried to become the Savior of mankind.” (The Gospel Through The Ages, p.15)

Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that Lucifer attempted to become the Savior: in fact, Jesus created all the angels including Lucifer, so they can’t be brothers. Colossians 1:16 indicates that Jesus created “all things,” whether “in heaven,” or “in earth, visible or invisible.”

FACT #5. Mormonism continues to teach that God the Father is a glorified, resurrected Man, and men and women may become Gods and Goddesses.

Apostle Bruce R. McConkie makes this claim:

“God himself, the Father of us all, is a glorified, exalted, immortal, resurrected Man!” (Mormon Doctrine, p. 643)

Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, taught:

” …you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves…the same as all Gods have done before you,…” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 346)

The Lord Himself answers this teaching by pronouncing:

“… I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.” (Isaiah 44:6)

FACT #6. Mormons consider Polygamy a righteous principle which will be practiced in heaven.

Although there is nothing in the Bible that will support this thinking, current Mormon Scripture has this to say:

“. . .if any man espouse a virgin, and desire to espouse another, and the first give her consent, and if he espouse the second, and they are virgins, and have vowed to no other man, then is he justified; he cannot commit adultery . . . . And if he have TEN VIRGINS given unto him by this law, he cannot commit adultery.” (Doctrine and Covenants 132:61, 62)

FACT #7. Mormons today believe God the Father is married and past leaders have taught both God the Father and Jesus Christ are polygamists.

Apostle Orson Pratt makes these unbelievable statements:

“. . .the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a Polygamist,. . . the Messiah chose to take upon himself his seed; and by marrying many honorable wives himself, show to all future generations that he approbated the plurality of Wives under the Christian dispensation,. . .God the Father had a plurality of wives,. . . the Son followed the example of his Father,. . . both God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ inherit their wives in eternity as well as in time;. . .” (The Seer, p. 172)

Nowhere in the Bible does it indicate that God the Father and Jesus Christ are married or polygamists.

FACT #8. The majority of the activity in the Mormon Temples is work done in behalf of the DEAD.

Joseph Smith offers this explanation:

“The greatest responsibility in this world that God has laid upon us is to seek after our DEAD.” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 356)

Although many Mormons are attempting to save their dead relatives, the Bible indicates:

“None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him.” (Psalms 49:7)

FACT #9. To the Mormon, the ultimate test that Mormonism is true is an “inner feeling.”

Mormons often refer to this feeling as a “burning in the bosom.” They believe their scripture (Doctrine and Covenants 9:8) gives the best test for determining truth. This test reads:

” . . .study it out in your mind; then you must ask me [the Lord] if it be right, and if it is right I will cause that your bosom shall burn within you; therefore, you shall FEEL that it is right.”

The Bible, on the other hand, tells us:

“Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.” (II Timothy 2:15)

FACT #10 Mormon leaders demand total obedience regardless whether they are right or wrong.

The ward teacher’s message for June, 1945, stated:

“When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done. When they propose a plan it is God’s plan.” (Improvement Era, June 1945, p. 354)

Herber C. Kimball, First Councilor to Brigham Young, clarifies further:

“But if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it. None of your business whether it is right or wrong.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 32)

The Bible warns us in I John 4:l:

“Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.”

FACT #ll. Mormon leaders have consistently attacked the Biblical doctrine of Salvation by God’s Grace through Faith alone.

In Apostle James Talmage’s book, The Articles of Faith, twice he refers to justification by Faith alone as a “pernicious doctrine,” and further declares:

“The Sectarian Dogma of Justification by Faith alone has exercised an influence for evil.” (pp. 107, 480)

The Bible responds:

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.” (Romans 5: 1)

FACT #12. Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie has warned his people against a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus.

McConkie made these shocking statements at a speech given at BYU:

“… gaining a special, personal relationship with Christ that is both improper and perilous. . . . Now, I know that some may be offended at the counsel that they should not strive for a special and personal relationship with Christ. . . .But you have been warned, and you have heard the true doctrine taught.” (Church News, week ending March 20, 1982, p. 5)

In opposition to this, Jesus gives us a personal invitation:

“Come unto me, all ye that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.” (Matthew 11:28)

FACT #13. Joseph Smith, founder of the Mormon Church, boasted of doing a greater “work” than the Lord Jesus.

Joseph Smith made this incredible boast:

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. . . . Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor JESUS ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of JESUS ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.” (History of the Church, vol. 6, pp. 408, 409)

No true Prophet of God ever spoke such words as these.

FACT #14. In 1835 Joseph Smith prophesied concerning the coming of the Lord.

At a meeting called by Joseph Smith he instructed the Latter-day Saints that it was “the will of God” to go forth and “prune the vineyard for the last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh-even fifty-six years should wind up the scene.” (History of the Church, vol. 2, p. 182) Eight years later he reinforced this by stating:

“I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written – the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till 1 am eighty-five years old.” (History of the Church, vol. 5, p. 336)

These are obvious False Prophesies which would make Joseph Smith a False Prophet.

FACT #15. Mormons are taught to “shake hands” with a messenger to determine if he is from God or if he is the devil.

The following information is found in Mormon scripture:

“When a messenger comes saying he has a message from God, offer him your hand and request him to shake hands with you. If he be an angel he will do so, and you will feel his hand. . . . If it were the devil as an angel of light, when you ask him to shake hands he will offer you his hand, and you will not feel anything; you may therefore detect him.” (Doctrine and Covenants 129:4, 5)

Rather than trusting in “feelings” the Bible commands us to:

“Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” (I Thessalonians 5:21)

FACT #16. Brigham Young claimed that those who leave the Mormon Church would turn “wrinkled” and “black.”

The following curse was pronounced by Brigham Young:

“. . .but let them apostatize, and they will become gray-haired, wrinkled, and black, just like the Devil.” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 5, p. 332)

There have been tens of thousands of people leave the Mormon Church – Where are the “black and wrinkled” ones?

FACT #17. Joseph Smith taught the moon was inhabited by people who dressed like Quakers and lived to be about 1000 years old.

In the Mormon publication, The Young Woman’s Journal, pp. 263 & 264, O.B. Huntington gives this interesting information:

“As far back as 1837, I know that he [Joseph Smith] said the moon was inhabited by men and women the same as this earth, and that they lived to a greater age than we do – that they live generally to near the age of 1000 years. He [Smith] described the men as averaging near six feet in height, and dressing quite uniformly in something near the Quaker style.”

Now that man has walked on the Moon, there can be no doubt that there aren’t any 6 foot tall Quakers roaming its surface.

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Sep 10 2008

Religulous director delivers ‘rollercoaster ride’

Category: Islam, Religious NewsPolycarp @ 10:32 pm

Metro – Religulous director delivers ‘rollercoaster ride’.

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Aug 06 2008

LDS historians: Brigham Young fueled hysteria, but didn’t order massacre

Category: Religious NewsPolycarp @ 5:37 pm

WorldWide Religious News-LDS historians: Brigham Young fueled hysteria, but didn’t order massacre.

“LDS historians: Brigham Young fueled hysteria, but didn’t order massacre”

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