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Sunday Thoughts – 10-31

 October 31, 2010 Posted by Joel

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Today.

Today is Reformation Day. It is the day in which we remember Luther and his politely suggesting that the Church form a committee to address whether or not programs of renewal may be needed. I’m pretty sure that it was met, as it always is, with a resounding round of applause and cheers.

I am still recovering somewhat. We have a guest up from Louisiana, so for the past two days, I’ve been playing tour guide. On Friday, we visited Hawks’ Nest and did some scenic sight seeing, but also finally found the time to visit Whipple, rather what is left of the old coal camp named Whipple, and the company store there. There is some history there that will eventually be brought out, and when it does, I hope to be apart of it. I believe that it will shed some serious light on the beauties of unregulated capitalism. On a positive note there, I was able to touch the printing press which pressed the first edition of Huck Finn. It was owned by some author named Clemens or something.

Oh, and the press used by Charles Manson. But, that was just odd. And a wheel chair that has a bad history.

The next day, as I mentioned yesterday, or was it this morning? Anyway, we went to D.C., joined peaceably in a rally, and came home. All in a day. I am exhausted.I’ve had about 11 hours of sleep since Thursday morning.

But, we went to church this morning, which honored the laity ministers. Right now? I am about ready to go to bed.

This week will be pretty slow. I’ve got some reading to do, plus, I am taking Monday and Tuesday off.

I have some really good news to share, when I can announce it.

I hope that each of you have a great week. I hope as well that regardless of Tuesday’s outcome, we are still one country and that we will start to learn to work together again.

We aren’t do a good job with that, you know.

      

We politely, and with reasonableness, utterly destroyed Glenn Beck’s rally

 October 31, 2010 Posted by Joel

I went to D.C. today, to attend the event known as the Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear. It was… interesting… but, in the end, well, maybe something civil started…

The crowd emanated an aura of well-behaved reasonableness as it politely – and enthusiastically – laughed and applauded its way through the three hour show. Folks who had made the effort to navigate the downtown corridor to attend seemed satisfied with the production. (here)

And in the end… the numbers were telling…

The Rally to Restore Sanity has come to a close, and crowd estimates are beginning to trickle in. It is clear that a huge number of people attended the event (see photos from the rally here), but the calculations vary among sources.

According to CBS News, 215,000 people showed up for the rally on Saturday. By comparison, CBS estimated that 87,000 — just 40% of the Sanity Rally estimation — attended Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally in August.

Canada’s CTV, meanwhile, wrote that 250,000 people were estimated to have partaken in the Rally to Restore Sanity.

Earlier on Saturday, Brian Stelter tweeted that the Parks Service approximated that “well over 200,000″ attended Saturday’s rally. (here)

My friends and I left there feeling, you know, reasonable and easy and slightly less or more apathetic…

      

Bible the Word of God? – an Islamic view

 October 30, 2010 Posted by Gez

I know the Bible to be the Word of God. Dr Amir Nasri, the professor of philosophy at the Islamic Azad University, Iran, has a different understanding:

Westerners do not consider the Bible as words of divinity, but call it as instructions of Jesus Christ. Accordingly, the art of calligraphy has no place in there. On the contrary, according to Islamic instructions, the Holy Quran is the word of God and so in order to propagate it we have applied different forms of arts such as calligraphy. Therefore, this art has a particular position in our religion.

I’m guessing he has never seen a Family Bible that has the names of family members written in calligraphy.

A study of the status of Icons in Islamic and Christian instructions | Iran Book News Agency

      

When she preaches… I tend to listen

 October 30, 2010 Posted by Joel

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This is not Shauna…

Actually, for as long as I have known Shauna (not that long) she has almost been the picture of humility and Christian life. She was recently featured in a local paper.

The Rev. Shauna Hyde believes God provides spiritual as well as physical power.

Aside from being armed with Biblical knowledge, she is an expert in karate and in 2006 was inducted into the U.S.A. International Black Belt Hall of Fame.

A winding path led her to Christ Church United Methodist in Charleston, where she began serving as pastor of parish life in June.

“I focus on the life of the congregation and the community,” she said. “I am naturally inclined toward pastoral care. I visit a steady stream of people and get calls all day long. That’s fine with me.”

Hyde believes she was always meant to enter the ministry. However, as a child, she just didn’t know a woman could become a pastor.

She was born in Greenville, S.C., and grew up in Colorado. She was one of four children and her father was a Nazarene minister who believed in daily family devotions.

“We grew up with theology lessons,” she said. “I was 14 when I asked for a study Bible. All of the cats on our ranch were baptized.”

Please read the rest here –

Pastor incorporates Hall of Fame black belt training in empowering ministry – Food & Living – Charleston Daily Mail – West Virginia News and Sports -.

      

Special Guest Post from Fr. Steven

 October 30, 2010 Posted by Joel

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Since I am gone for today, Fr. Steve said that I could repost his post –

It seems that Christians and especially ministers of all traditions forget the lessons of history. The church in the United States is at a critical point in history and is fast losing its credibility due to the arrogance and excess of many churches as well as individual clergy in matters related to personal behavior, financial accountability as well as accountability before the law concerning clergy that who have committed grievous crimes against children and others. Likewise there is the nearly incestuous relationship between many ministers and those holding political and or economic power in which quite often one cannot tell where the “gospel” ends and the politics begin. This exists in many churches large and small and spans the denominational spectrum not being the sole property of any particular body. There is also the matter of accountability in which it seems that many churches, ministries and ministers practice a “do as I say, not as I do” lifestyle holding their subordinate clergy as well as parishioners to a higher standard than they practice themselves.

The United States has always had a strong Christian heritage that has impacted its faith as well as its national life. This is not of itself a bad thing as one looks at how churches and Christian leaders have made an impact that goes beyond them and is beneficial to the nation as a whole. Some of these achievements include the pressure put on James Madison by Virginia Baptists to ensure a guarantee of religious freedom in the Bill of Rights, the abolition of slavery the ending of child labor, the Civil Rights movement as well as numerous charitable and public interest oriented ministries to care for society’s most disadvantaged citizens as well as the aliens that have lived among us. At the same time there were many Christians, churches and ministers that supported slavery, an established state religion, segregation and many other issues. That being said churches and individual ministers have made a huge contribution to American life and community that cannot be easily dismissed despite the many problems, controversies, and scandals that have surrounded churches of almost all denominations since the founding of the United States. Religious liberty as well as Christian churches and religion in general has traditionally been seen as a positive rather than a negative aspect of the United States going back to Alexis de Tocqueville in his comments on American democracy.

Clergy have enjoyed a special status in American life that exists in large part due the Bill of Rights and the Jeffersonian understanding of an “eternal wall of separation” between church and state. This is because clergy were seen as fair arbiters because they were not an appendage of the state as were the clergy of most European states that had established state religion. Thus the “clericalism” of Europe which was seen as a danger by our Founding Fathers was not a major issue. Yes some of the founders recognized a potential danger but that did not stop Congress from treating clergy and churches favorably in the early years of the republic and worked to ensure that no church became a “State church.” Over the years since the founding of the United States clergy of many denominations have made many positive contributions to our Nation in both their pastoral and prophetic roles. At the same time over the years some clergy have attempted to use their status and privileges as an entry into the elite parts of society, especially in the political, government policy and financial realms.

The point to be short is that many clergy in the United States, especially those in influential pulpits and ministries have forgotten the dangers of “clericalism” and the abuses of clerics who use their office as clergy to gain political, financial and personal power. Jesus told his disciples that they had to be servants and not seek wealth, status or position something that was echoed by the New Testament writers as well as many of the Ante-Nicene Fathers.

By their budgets ye shall know them….I saw the report of the Reverend Robert Schuler of the “Crystal Cathedral” megachurch which declared bankruptcy last week being $43 Million dollars in debt and embroiled in struggles about Schuler’s successor call for his parishioners to give more money. He asked “tithers to double tithe” and those that do not tithe to “start tithing.” He talked about what the church has given to them and earned their support. I found this to be a rather pompous plea from a man who has had the ear of Presidents and leaders in the political and business world. The fact is that Southern California has been terribly hard hit by the economic downturn and recession and that obviously includes many of his parishioners both those that worship at the Cathedral as well as those who what Schuler’s “Hour of Power” show. The Chrystal Cathedral now has to live “month to month on $2 Million dollars a month” and has cut back staff, curtailed programs and sold property to try to make ends meet. I’m sorry but when you live off of other people’s money you should never build a ministry requiring millions of dollars on the presumption that if you get it wrong that the faithful givers should have to bail you out. I saw this at a local level a few years back and it all but destroyed the local church and the denomination that church belonged. I wonder how many more megachurches built on piles of debt are facing what is happening at the Chrystal Cathedral.

By their budgets ye shall know them….Other churches at denominational and local levels have often become embroiled in banking scandals that tarnished the reputation of those churches, their leaders and disillusioned their membership often causing mass defections to other churches or leave the organized church all together. The Roman Catholic Church had to deal with a major scandal involving the Vatican Bank in the 1970s and 1980s and have recently had other allegations of another potential banking scandal involving the Vatican have surfaced.

By their budgets ye shall know them….I worked for a fairly reputable Television ministry while I was a seminary student. The common plea of these types of ministries is that they “are on a mission from God” well, maybe that is a Blues Brother’s paraphrase but you get my drift. Most are not part of any denominational structure and have little oversight and presume that since someone might watch them that they are entitled to financial support. They do not ask their audience for actual input into their “mission” strategy, they just ask for their audience’s money to do with as they “and as the Lord would have them to do” with it. This of course is not the sole property of television ministries but it occurs in many churches as well. If someone questions the church and its financial accountability they are accused of “being unfaithful,” “not hearing God,” or being “disobedient to God’s will or to the church.” Since many churches and ministries suffer a terrible lack of accountability and oversight these abuses are more widespread than we would want to believe. Sometimes it takes personal experience to see this but when one sees it up close and in person the blinders can be removed. In regard to television ministries in particular the amount of money required to keep their programs on the air is beyond exorbitant. It comes often from those that are barely surviving financially even in “good times” and the most desperate of people “believing in God for a miracle” in response to obediently shelling out of their meager incomes to ministries in response to persuasive pleas by ministers that should know better. The motivation, love and obedience of these often wonderful people is exploited in order to support air programs that have little impact on the world despite the boastings of these ministers that they are “fulfilling the great commission.” One has to ask if this is the case why there is so little to be seen in our society as a result of all the money poured into these pricy ministries.

By their budgets ye shall know them….If money was the only thing it would be a manageable problem…. Oh but wait money and power is the root of the problem as the problem extends to lifestyles of ministers and other church leaders which are hardly supported by the demands of the Gospel. It is not uncommon at all to see clergy living off of the offerings of their parishioners live opulent lifestyles and when times get tough demand more money from their flocks rather than amending their own behaviors. Instead of accountability, repentance and a change in behavior there is a demand for obedience from their flock and if the flock objects they are the ones that are vilified. This again cuts across denominational lines and includes Protestants and Catholics, those in parish as well as those in parachurch, television and radio ministries. In my old church those clergy who could not meet their tithe for whatever reason were told that they were being “disobedient to their vows” which instead of vows to the Church in regard to orthodoxy as well as orthopraxy were narrowed down to if you were paying your tithe on time. I remember one Bishop who left the church to go elsewhere told the assembled priests in his diocese that the tithe was the “essential test of obedience, and what bound us together.” Families and parishioners of parishes were described by another Bishop as “tithing units” not people and when I was in the reserves contemplating a mission parish start up was told that in order to be “successful” the church needed at least “x-number of tithing units.” Doctrine or even other forms of public witness were secondary to paying the tithe. That church had many major financial scandals that are well documented elsewhere so I won’t go into detail about them.

By their budgets ye shall know them…. If churches spend more money on the salaries of their pastors than they do on outreach to the poor or missions something is severely out of order, one cannot imagine the Apostles of those Ante-Nicene Fathers who suffered poverty and persecution advocating for what amounts to be an “Imperial” church even those that advocated a firm hierarchy in regard to faith and belief. When leaders of a church, especially a small church get together and dine in luxury on the monies donated by their often impoverished flocks it shows a tacit denial of the Gospel and lack of respect or care for the people of God.

By their budgets ye shall know them….When church building programs and plant maintenance are extravagant and require massive amounts of money to sustain without demanding more from their parishioners than something is out of kilter. When chandeliers cost more than a mission budget for the poor something is wrong. My Church History professor from who I appropriated the “by their budgets ye shall know them” line used to say that “God is going to get us for our stained glass windows when we neglect the poor.” I love good church architecture including stained glass windows but it is presumptive on God the people of God for churches, ministries and ministers to demand monies when they have failed to play and manage effective especially when in spite of economic indicators they spend like drunken sailors and expect others to pick up the tab while crying crocodile tears about how “God’s plans will be thwarted” if their ministry fails.

By their budgets ye shall know them….Back prior to the Protestant Reformation in Europe there was a large amount of discontent which focused on the arrogance, opulence and financial demands of the Catholic Church. In fact much of Dr. Martin Luther’s protest in the 95 Thesis dealt with the manner in which the Church used a practice called indulgences and the selling of “relics” to fund the construction of St Peters Basilica in Rome. In people gave because they believed men like John Tetzel who preached in regard to indulgences “a penny into the coffer rings a soul from purgatory springs.” Of course there was the manner that the Church also used its power to reward or punish rulers which was also part of the problem but the complaint of many reformers was often directly related to the Churches’ financial as well as political abuses of its members and nations to buttress its position in Europe. Unfortunately I do not think that we have learned this lesson and that Churches and ministries in the United States are losing membership and the trend is that people are opting for individual expressions of faith rather than become a part of institutions that they feel are out of touch with real people. I believe that if things do not change there will be a mass exodus from many churches and religious institutions because of the odious nature of the financial dealings and pressure put on people to support questionable programs and lavish lifestyles.

By their budgets ye shall know them….There are honest and hard working ministers and churches that emphasize ministry and care for people as part of the Gospel message. Many are foreign missionaries that eke out support while working full time in “tentmaker” professions in order to fund their missions without unduly burdening those that support them. I know many people like this and for them whether they be working in foreign missions or caring for the poor at home live the Gospel in word and deed and nothing in this essay should be construed to be against such people or their missions. I may disagree with someone’s theology but when I see them demonstrate humility and the love of God in all that they do I can only commend them.

You see my friends and readers my experience leads me to believe that people are still searching for authentic faith and spirituality and have not necessarily given up on orthodox Christian beliefs. The problem is they are finding little of substance in many churches and other religious institutions. Novelist and write Anne Rice recently did this, leaving “Christianity” but not Christ and I fully understand her reasoning for doing so.

Martin Luther and the 95 Thesis: What if the Church had listened to him rather than branding him as a heretic and criminal?

Some will say that by writing this that I am “causing division in the Church” or the more pious “causing division in the body of Christ.” However that is a red herring argument that attempts to divert attention from the real problem. If the Church and I mean across denominations not any particular body fails to reform itself it will fall on its own and fall hard and in the process harm the faith of many people. Churches which have to defend the indefensible to “retain unity” are those that are in schism from Christ, not those that raise issues that the society at large recognizes but church and religious leaders seem incapable of admitting. The Church must reform and a big part of that in the United States involves how we deal with wealth. By their budgets ye shall know them.

This essay will be continued as I move to the next segment which will be about the incestuous relationship between many ministers and those of the political and financial elites. I’m sure that I will come up with a catch title for that essay but need to ruminate some more.

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Reforming the Church Today Part One: By their Budgets Ye Shall know Them | Padresteve’s World…Musings of a Passionate Moderate.

      

The Atonement

 October 30, 2010 Posted by Gez

I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of the various theories on the atonement, at the moment. What Paul wrote explains the atonement beautifully: God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:18 (NKJV)

For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NLT)

God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NIV)

whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NKJV)

      

What if your favorite bibliobloggers were animals?

 October 30, 2010 Posted by Joel

For instance, Jim West:

Jim West, The Cat King

And, Rodney?

Rodney has become a Libertarian

And… Stuart and Mitchell, but I’m not tell you which is which…

And for some reason… Mark keeps yelling for me…

And Christian…

And, let’s not forget Jeremy …

      

Question of the Day: Does the law of God change?

 October 29, 2010 Posted by Joel

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During a discussion group yesterday, we were discussion liberalism and legalism, and finding the sweet-spot between the two to empower believers. But…

The discussion turned to the notion of God’s laws and man’s laws, regarding legalism. One position put forth was that God’s laws does not change.

The counter position was that God’s laws do change, otherwise, we should endeavor to kill adulterers, homosexuals, and unruly children (Of course, this is coming from a conservative Christian reading of Leviticus 20). But, we don’t. Further, there is the notion of the ‘New Covenant’.

So, anyway, what do you think? Has God changed laws on us from time to time? But, more importantly, how many of God’s laws have we remade as the laws of man by our interpretation?

I will not tell you my position yet…

      

The Blessing of Discomfort

 October 29, 2010 Posted by Joel

Michael Hyatt posted this benediction yesterday – thought I might share it with you –

May God bless you with discomfort
At easy answers, half-truths, and superficial relationships,
So that you may live deep within your heart.
May God bless you with anger
At injustice, oppression and exploitation of people,
So that you may work for justice, freedom and peace.
May God bless you with tears
To shed for those who suffer pain, rejection, hunger, and war,
So that you may reach out your hand to comfort them
And turn their pain into joy.
And may God bless you with enough foolishness
To believe that you can make a difference in the world,
So that you can do what others claim cannot be done
To bring justice and kindness to all our children and the poor.
Amen”

The Blessing of Discomfort.

      

The Right Reverend Sharron Angle on Theocracy

 October 28, 2010 Posted by Joel

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When you quote 2nd Chronicles 7.14, how do you do it? Do you do it as an individual, or do you do it as an ancient Jew, standing in the Temple of God, in Jerusalem, speaking about a theocratic kingdom? Is your land your life or a geo-political unit?

After quoting such a verse, Angle goes on to treat that ‘my people’ as Americans,

“As we have walked further and further away from the precious promises of God as a nation, as we have walked further and further away from his teachings about our own duty as Christians, we find our nation in a terrible fix,” Angle says on the Oct. 10 recording. “And that fix has come because our light hasn’t so shone before men that they could see our good works and glorify our Father in Heaven.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1010/44259.html#ixzz13i4G2KPG

She also notes that the Government, because as we know in the U.S. the Government is not voted for by the people, is coming between God and His people, Americans.

Anyone see a problem with this?

Is this how you read 2nd Chronicles 7.14?