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N.T. Wright on Anslem, Piper, and where to begin proper theology
I am trying to write a short paper comparing Anselm and Abelard and their views on justification, so like all great thinkers on this issue, I turn to N.T. Wright for clarity. He writes,
…that Anselm of Canterbury, who gave a massive impetus to Western thought on the person and work of Jesus…was working within a highly judicial context. He drew on Latin concepts of law and “right” and applied them to the biblical sources in a way which, as we can now see, was bound to distort both the essentially Hebraic thought-forms in which the biblical material was rooted and the first -century Greek thought-forms within which the New Testament was designed to resonate…
….sixteenth and seventeenth century supplied so many new ideas and categories from the concepts and controlling stories current at the time that, while they remain a wonderful example and encouragement in many things, they must not be taken as the final court of appeal. (The same could be said, once more, of Anselm and the categories of his day.) It is worrying to find Piper encouraging readers to go back, not to the first century, but to “the Christian renewal movements of sixteenth-century Europe.” To described that period as offering the “historic roots” of evangelicalism is profoundly disturbing. Proper evangelicals are root in Scripture…” (47, 51)
The Nuance of Christian-Speak
I’ve been thinking… about the words we say in which we say it. When I say something, what do you hear? (Or, I guess write/read)
When I say inspired, what do you think I mean?
Or inerrant?
Or Literal?
What about when I say God? What is the first thing that pops into your mind?
Or Bible, Scripture, Text, Holy Writ, and Word of God?
Love? Love of God?
Jesus? Christ? Christ Jesus?
Christian?
When we use these words, how do you think others hear them?
What if I said that I believe that the Text was inspired? Or that I believe we need to interpret Holy Writ in the literal sense?
Scripture in Community: The 12 year old girl knocked up by the Spirit

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Read the introduction here.
Mary’s story:
In the sixth month of Elizabeth’s pregnancy, God sent the angel Gabriel to Nazareth, a village in Galilee, to a virgin named Mary. She was engaged to be married to a man named Joseph, a descendant of King David. Gabriel appeared to her and said, “Greetings, favored woman! The Lord is with you! ”
Confused and disturbed, Mary tried to think what the angel could mean. “Don’t be afraid, Mary,” the angel told her, “for you have found favor with God! You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you will name him Jesus. He will be very great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his ancestor David. And he will reign over Israel forever; his Kingdom will never end!”
Mary asked the angel, “But how can this happen? I am a virgin.”
The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and he will be called the Son of God. What’s more, your relative Elizabeth has become pregnant in her old age! People used to say she was barren, but she’s now in her sixth month. For nothing is impossible with God. ”
Mary responded, “I am the Lord’s servant. May everything you have said about me come true.” And then the angel left her. (Luk 1:26-38 NLT)
And for a few of my previous dialoguing, here and here. If Dr. Gyale hasn’t taken too much of a hiatus, I wouldn’t mind his view, which I think is of a sublime degree.
Mary wasn’t an adult, at least by our standards or age. She would have been between 12 and 14, with Joseph much older. (See his story in Matthew 1).
Was she meant to do this? Was she tested and because she passed, she was then made blessed above all women? Because of this event, what is her status in the Church or the lives of the Saints? Also, what does Virgin mean – or, rather, meant? And if it is shown to be something wholly different than what we understand it to mean, what does that do to the Doctrine of the Incarnation?
Community, theologize!
New Blog Series: Scripture in Community (Introduction)
While reading T. Scott Daniels’ Seven Deadly Spirits, an idea that had been festering with me for a while found a genesis. He writes,
I would suggest that we discover what it means to call the spirit of the church to repentance as we learn to read Scripture well in community (p134).
He notes that when we read Scripture in such a way, it creates a ‘unique people’ and quotes 1st Peter 2.9. Further,
In other words, we read Scripture in community to learn to interpret ourselves and the world as Christians…..simply, each time the community gathers around Scripture, we are holding up the revelation of God’s character as a contrast model to our own. (p135)
….the redeeming of the deadly spirit of a church can only fully be achieved as we also learn to embody the Scriptures in community. (p136)
So, in that light, I want to try to read Scripture as a Community. This community, believe or not, I see as encompassing me, you, them, they, and the others as well. Atheists, unbelievers, non-believers, and yes, even Baptists. Gay, straight and even Mark Stevens. Biblical scholars, students, theologians, and even those who read the bible. Can we begin to embody the Scripture? Can we really begin to look at our neighbors who are the same journey, but maybe a different place, and seek their counsel? Can we allow questioning and seek answers that aren’t as ‘pat’ as there were in the last generation, or even last week?
So, for the next few weeks, I will be posting Scriptural passages. I invite you to contribute your thoughts and interpretations, even if you merely laugh at it and say ‘hogwash’. I intend for the passages to be controversial as Holy Writ is supposed to be, so I will pick those that showcase the brutality of God, the exclusivity of the Christian community, and the promised end to all those who oppose God in Christ. Or, I may showcase the holiness of God, the equality of the Christian community, and the new hope for all those who oppose God in Christ. Feel free to simply post commentaries from other sources. And, to suggest what passages we might want to discuss next week.
I’m going to try this, for about a month or so, and see how well it goes.
Discussion on the Atonement

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There are many different views on the Atonement, the theology behind the Cross. With these views come the natural inclination to make them inerrant and unquestionable, meaning that when you start to examine them, the loud charge of heresy! is uttered, with constant attacks from the various camps. (Newtaste has written about this thoughts a few days ago)
From here, but these are the pieces of the article that I am sharing for the moment:
Ransom to Satan: This view sees the atonement of Christ as a ransom paid to Satan to purchase man’s freedom and release him from being enslaved to Satan. It is based on a belief that man’s spiritual condition is bondage to Satan and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to secure God’s victory over Satan.
I don’t consider this one biblical, to be honest. It places God as almost a subservient position to that of Satan. God is not a customer of Satan, you know.
Recapitulation Theory: This theory states that the atonement of Christ has reversed the course of mankind from disobedience to obedience. It believes that Christ’s life recapitulated all the stages of human life and in doing so reversed the course of disobedience initiated by Adam.
I like this one, but it is a little too pat for my tastes. I do think that the Atonement involved the act of obedience, as we see that with the New Adam, Christ, we see in Mary the obedience to God which Eve should have had. With that said, I do not think that it was all about obedience to God which brought about the Atonement. While I think that Christ lived the life that we should live, and was obedient as an example, etc… my concern, I think, is that this view seems to state more on the how than the why, if in fact those two things can be separated. In other words, I think that this view tends to tell how Christ lived and died rather than the why, but I may be drawing a distinction where there is none.
Dramatic Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as securing the victory in a divine conflict between good and evil and winning man’s release from bondage to Satan. The meaning of Christ’s death was to ensure God’s victory over Satan and to provide a way to redeem the world out of its bondage to evil.
Silly Zoroastrianism.
Mystical Theory: The mystical theory sees the atonement of Christ as a triumph over His own sinful nature through the power of the Holy Spirit. Those who hold this view believe that knowledge of this will mystically influence man and awake his “god-consciousness.” They also believe that man’s spiritual condition is not the result of sin but simply a lack of “god-consciousness.”
Um. What?
Moral Influence Theory: This is the belief that the atonement of Christ is a demonstration of God’s love which causes man’s heart to soften and repent. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually sick and in need of help and that man is moved to accept God’s forgiveness by seeing God’s love for man. They believe that the purpose and meaning of Christ’s death was to demonstrate God’s love toward man.
Okay. I like bits of this as well. It lacks points which I feel is important, such as the act of obedience. Further, the redemption of humanity, or perhaps Recreation. I do however see and agree that the Atonement is the prime example of God’s love towards us. Again, supreme merit, but not sure it goes far enough.
Example Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as simply providing an example of faith and obedience to inspire man to be obedient to God. Those who hold this view believe that man is spiritually alive and that Christ’s life and atonement were simply an example of true faith and obedience and should serve as inspiration to men to live a similar life of faith and obedience. This and the moral influence theory are similar in that they both deny that God’s justice actually requires payment for sin and that Christ’s death on the cross was that payment. The main difference between the moral influence theory and the example theory is that the moral influence theory says that Christ’s death teaches us how much God loves us and the example theory says that Christ’s death teaches how to live.
Not so much because it removes the necessity of the Word from the redemption. It simply doesn’t sustain itself under the scope of the Wisdom Tradition.
Commercial Theory: The commercial theory views the atonement of Christ as bringing infinite honor to God. This resulted in God giving Christ a reward which He did not need, and Christ passed that reward on to man. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is that of dishonoring God and so Christ’s death, which brought infinite honor to God, can be applied to sinners for salvation.
Where is the Scripture for this one?
Governmental Theory: This view sees the atonement of Christ as demonstrating God’s high regard for His law and His attitude toward sin. It is through Christ’s death that God has a reason to forgive the sins of those who repent and accept Christ’s substitutionary death. Those who hold this view believe that man’s spiritual condition is as one who has violated God’s moral law and that the meaning of Christ’s death was to be a substitute for the penalty of sin. Because Christ paid the penalty for sin, it is possible for God to legally forgive those who accept Christ as their substitute.
No. It has no room for the reconciliation of the world.
Penal Substitution Theory: This theory sees the atonement of Christ as being a vicarious, substitutionary sacrifice that satisfied the demands of God’s justice upon sin. With His sacrifice, Christ paid the penalty of man’s sin, bringing forgiveness, imputing righteousness, and reconciling man to God. Those who hold this view believe that every aspect of man—his mind, will, and emotions—have been corrupted by sin and that man is totally depraved and spiritually dead. This view holds that Christ’s death paid the penalty for sin and that through faith man can accept Christ’s substitution as payment for sin.
No, as while some of it is Scriptural, it has no room for reconciliation, the moral example, obedience, and the Great Love of God. Further, I don’t by the ‘totally depraved’ notion nor the ‘spiritually dead.’ If we were truly spiritually dead, then we would not have need of the ‘restless heart’, nor would we constantly rebuild the Tower of Babel in order to find a way to God. I still prefer Athanasius’ view, it seems.
Note, these are my beginning thoughts, and we will continue through them. I am in favor of learning everything I can about these views, and would welcome warm discussion.
The Atonement
I don’t pretend to understand the intricacies of the various theories on the atonement, at the moment. What Paul wrote explains the atonement beautifully: God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ. 2 Corinthians 5:18 (NKJV)
For God presented Jesus as the sacrifice for sin. People are made right with God when they believe that Jesus sacrificed his life, shedding his blood. This sacrifice shows that God was being fair when he held back and did not punish those who sinned in times past, for he was looking ahead and including them in what he would do in this present time. God did this to demonstrate his righteousness, for he himself is fair and just, and he declares sinners to be right in his sight when they believe in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NLT)
God presented him as a sacrifice of atonement, through faith in his blood. He did this to demonstrate his justice, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished — he did it to demonstrate his justice at the present time, so as to be just and the one who justifies those who have faith in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NIV)
whom God set forth as a propitiation by His blood, through faith, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His forbearance God had passed over the sins that were previously committed, to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 (NKJV)
A Hell to Shun and a Heaven to Win – Phrases I no longer like to hear
I was listening to the radio the other day and a song with these lyrics came on the radio. Guess I hadn’t thought about it much, but you know, I don’t like that phrase. For several reasons, but for one, because I cannot win ‘Heaven’. I cannot gain it, or conquer it, or earn it.
For my ESV readers –
…but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation….Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men. (Rom 5:8-11,18 ESV)
So, what is it that I have to win exactly that has not already been given to me?







