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Glenn Beck’s and Jim West’s Prophetic Messages
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on October 6, 2010
There used to be a blog somewhere about analyzing politicians and their use of Scripture in their speeches, which is something that is profitable, I believe. Dana Milbank has done the same thing (and written a book about it) with Glenn Beck and the use of Mormon Sacred Tradition. (Note, this is not a critique of that Tradition)
In one of his first appearances on Fox News, Glenn Beck sent a coded message to the nation’s six million Mormons — or at least those Mormons who believe in what the Latter-day Saints call “the White Horse Prophecy.”
“We are at the place where the Constitution hangs in the balance,” Beck told Bill O’Reilly on November 14, 2008, just after President Obama’s election. “I feel the Constitution is hanging in the balance right now, hanging by a thread unless the good Americans wake up.”
For Milbank, this is an allusion to a well-known Mormon prophecy,
“When the Constitution of the United States hangs, as it were, upon a single thread, they will have to call for the ‘Mormon’ Elders to save it from utter destruction; and they will step forth and do it,” Brigham Young, Smith’s successor as head of the church, wrote in 1855.
He goes on to quote Sen. Orrin Hatch‘s statement (who is a Mormon Senator) about the current President,
“I heard Barack Obama talk about the Constitution and I thought, we are at the point or we are very near the point where our Constitution is hanging by a thread.”
You can read the rest here:
Like most ‘prophecies’ it can be self-made, heightened, and brought to fulfillment by those who have a desire to see it done so.
Jim West, bluntly, writes,
Did you get that? If you welcome false teachers into your home you become partners in their evil. And make no mistake, Glenn Beck is a heretic.
Friends, if you continue to support Glenn Beck in anyway, except to witness to him the Gospel of Jesus Christ, you are a partaker of his evil deeds. Period.
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Glenn Beck’s Generic American Civil Religion
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on September 2, 2010
Dr. Cargill, while pointing us to a great article on what is happening with Beck, writes,
Beck attempted to craft together an American civil religion that equates belief in God with belief in country – specifically, belief in political conservatism.
The author article starts by writing,
Fox News host Glenn Beck muddled biblical references with fragments of American history, recreating a pottage of civil religion that says America has a divine destiny and claiming that a national revival is beginning.
Yeah, I’d say muddled – muddled with Mormonism, American Exceptionalism, Revisionist History and political grandstanding. Great article, give it a read.
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Glenn Beck is Saved!
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on August 28, 2010
According to Evangelical leaders (who obviously have a committee on such things), Glenn Beck is using the right speech and thus, is saved. No matter that Mormonism and orthodox Christianity differ on more than ‘doctrinal grounds’, that their understanding of Christ, salvation, atonement and other points of Christian theology is wholly different from orthodox, the fact that Beck is using the ‘right words’ is what matters most. I have to wonder what the Apostle Paul would have said about that about the Gnostics who used similar language… oh wait.
Before deciding to stand by Beck, evangelical megachurch pastor Jim Garlow said he had to do a lot sorting and watched Beck as closely as he could.
“I have listened and watched very carefully regarding clues to Glenn’s spiritual condition,” said the lead pastor of Skyline Wesleyan Church in La Mesa, Calif.
“I have interviewed several people who have been with him and have talked very specifically with him regarding his own personal salvation,” he added.
And according to Garlow, Beck has said “unequivocally” that that he relies on the atonement of Jesus on the cross for forgiveness for his sins.
“[A]nd those are almost the exact words,” Garlow recalled in a five-page memo released this past Tuesday. “Few people use the term atonement. Glenn did. “
And Richard Land weighs in as well –
Even prominent Southern Baptist leader Richard Land was reportedly surprised to hear the Gospel so clearly on secular television.
“I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation – persons extremely well known in Christianity – and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), ‘Glenn is saved,’” Garlow reported. “He understands receiving Christ as savior.”
This is not the first time that Land has muted the differences between Christianity and Mormonism –
Land has called Mormonism one of the Abrahamic religions, next to Judaism (true), Christianity (true) and Islam (false). Simply because you claim to base your foundation on Abraham, doesn’t make it fact. There is also a large difference between doctrinal differences between Methodists, Catholics, Pentecostals, and Apostolics and the divide which exists between Christianity and Mormonism. This is not to take away from Mormonism, not to bash Mormons, but they are wholly different from Christians, and if Mormons would be honest, they would tell you how they see orthodox Christianity. Just invite them into your home and ask. Further, one has to understand why Mormonism is so appealing as a political ally to people like Land and Garlow, Beck and Romney… Because, Mormonism is American Exceptionalism codified into theology. Let me also say, that while I don’t care for Mormon theology, etc… their holiness values are esteemable. This is not about attacking Mormons, but about showing the hypocrisy of people like Land and Garlow, and many others Christians who have spent years preaching against the doctrines and theologies of Mormonism, and yet, finding it politically acceptable now to consider them brothers, and one their vilest members ‘saved.’
I have to wonder… if a Muslim spoke about the ‘atonement of Christ’ would Land consider him or her saved?
For good measure, Al Mohler on Mormonism –
Here is the bottom line. As an Evangelical Christian – a Christian who holds to the “traditional Christian orthodoxy” of the Church – I do not believe that Mormonism leads to salvation. To the contrary, I believe that it is a false gospel that, however sincere and kind its adherents may be, leads to eternal death rather than to eternal life.
Dr. McGrath pointed out an article where the practices of conservatives in excusing the theological differences with Mormonism mirror that of Liberal Christians.
Many conservative evangelical activists argue that evangelicals and Mormons should set aside theological differences to partner on moral and political issues.”
For Christians concerned about Glenn’s faith, I would ask the following questions: What fruit do you see produced by Glenn?” David Barton, an influential evangelical activist who is joining Beck’s rally, wrote on his Facebook page recently. “Good or bad? If you judged Glenn only by the fruits he has produced, would you still hold concerns over his faith?”
“Christians concerned about Glenn’s faith should judge the tree by its fruits, not its labels,” Barton, a former Republican National Committee consultant, continued. “After all, Nancy Pelosi and Bill Clinton openly call themselves Christians… Although these individuals have the right labels, they have the wrong fruits.”
Odd…. that so many who regularly uphold the idea of orthodox Christianity would easily let those things go by the way side for political power…
Oh, and I guess Beck is forming the Black Robe Regiment of preachers….ready to incite a revolution anyone?
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Glenn Beck is Moved by the Holy Spirit
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on August 26, 2010
Okay… so tell me, Christians… why are you still following this guy?
Two posts you need to read, first by PJ and then by Ken… I love the fact that he is being completely apocalyptic, throwing in blood shed, a threat of divine wrath, a ‘do this my way because God is talking to me or you will all die’. It’s interesting that this is all about economics, not about the ‘culture war’ (i.e. gay marriage, abortions, etc…) which simply doesn’t concern Beck. Instead, it is about money and power.
It is difficult to write things which I know will offend others which I don’t intend it to. Beck’s Mormonism, his theology of American Exceptionalism, is feeding this frenzy, and yet, Christians who readily deny the connection of Mormonism to orthodoxy Christianity. This is not about attacking their doctrines or Mormons… but about wondering how in the world fundamentalist and conservative Christians can readily accept that Beck is being led of God, is a prophet, or says anything close to the truth?
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Glenn Beck: Prophet?
Posted by kenleonard in Mormonism, Prophecy, Religion and Politics on May 12, 2010
I was driving this morning and listened to the last 20 minutes or so of Glenn Beck’s show. What I heard was stunning.
What I heard leaves me wondering, how can Christians support this guy?
I’d seriously like an answer to that question. I say that, knowing that several of my friends are fans of Glenn Beck’s program.
He claimed that the other day he suddenly said that we should expect great and mighty miracles in the near future. He started to say that he didn’t know where that came from, but then he realized that he did. God had given him that message.
Glenn Beck is claiming to be a prophet.
He is claiming that God is sending words through him to be given to the body of believers.
Seriously, Christians, isn’t enough enough?
I can believe, of course, that God uses prophets. That’s easy. I have no reason to doubt that He would and does.
What I do doubt is that He would use a prophet for some political purpose in the US while ignoring the vessel’s gross theological problems. Beck is, after all, a Mormon. Every single Evangelical fan of Glenn Beck should take some pause in this. Do you really believe that God is speaking through a person who believes that God lives on a planet orbiting Kolob with his wives?
Moreover, why is God using this prophet to deliver a message so thoroughly world-focused as Beck’s is? He doesn’t care what religion you follow as long as you’re a good American?
Really? Do you suppose that God really cares more about the Constitution than the state of people’s souls?
I’d love to hear how Christians can possibly defend this guy. If you dismiss that part of what he says, why listen to any of it?
It’s long since time for Christians to have a serious conversation about Glenn Beck and the influence he’s being given over what Christians are saying and thinking.
Glenn Beck Defends the Indefensible – his ignorance
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on March 11, 2010
You can read and listen to the entire thing here, but Glenn spouts idiotic conspiracy theories that only those who wear ten foil hats and wait for the rapture by aliens from Planet 3145a would believe. He says,
Where I go to church, there are members that preach social justice as members–my faith doesn’t–but the members preach social justice all the time. It is a perversion of the gospel. … You want to help out? You help out. It changes you. That’s what the gospel is all about: You.
Is Glenn Beck Ready to Leave Mormonism? Calls LDS Communist
Posted by Joel in Mormonism, Religion and Politics on March 8, 2010





