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Goodacre Destroys Eternal Security and Tells you How to Preach
Dr. Goodacre – blogger, professor, podcast, um, er? – is examining Hebrews. This is his is second podcast on the subject and it is highly recommended.
Find it here:
NT Pod: NT Pod 37: What is the purpose of the Epistle to the Hebrews?.
Faith Beyond Thought – Hebrews 11 and the Christian Life
T.C.’s post got me thinking (See Damian’s sorta of response to T.C.’s post, then check out Jeremy’s post as well, as well as this one), rather rethinking about a subject which I have written about previously, and for some reason, I don’t believe that I have accurately, or completely, stated my position on. (See here and here)
Obey or Follow? Hebrews 13.17
Posted by Joel in Bible Translation, Hebrews on August 20, 2009
In an effort to rid myself of confrontation on issues which I know others would never be persuaded, I deleted a whole host of friends on Facebook; however, I received an email from some one who I had deleted months ago asking me why I had not only removed her, but seemingly everyone else from our (former) Church organization. I responded that one of the reasons was that I simply did not appreciate the attacks – from questioning my membership in the Organization to questioning my salvation – on my use of Scripture in different translations. I didn’t mention the attacks by my brothers and sisters on my friends who came to my defense.
Yes, that’s right – I was going to hell because I used something other than the KJV-1611 (although, it is rightly said that no one else uses it either). I could not respond then, but my pastor at the time had allowed me to read other translations, etc… I did the organizational thing and asked him first, submitting to what the Organizational beliefs were on pastoral authority.
Moving to the email exchange today – I again was implicitly accused of being under the control of Satan, of refusing to obey my Pastor, and further, of being in danger of the Pastor sending me to hell.
You know where this comes from, right?
NKJ Hebrews 13:17 Obey those who rule over you, and be submissive, for they watch out for your souls, as those who must give account. Let them do so with joy and not with grief, for that would be unprofitable for you.
NLT Hebrews 13:17 Obey your spiritual leaders, and do what they say. Their work is to watch over your souls, and they are accountable to God. Give them reason to do this with joy and not with sorrow. That would certainly not be for your benefit.
RSV Hebrews 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you.
BGT Hebrews 13:17 Πείθεσθε τοῖς ἡγουμένοις ὑμῶν καὶ ὑπείκετε, αὐτοὶ γὰρ ἀγρυπνοῦσιν ὑπὲρ τῶν ψυχῶν ὑμῶν ὡς λόγον ἀποδώσοντες, ἵνα μετὰ χαρᾶς τοῦτο ποιῶσιν καὶ μὴ στενάζοντες· ἀλυσιτελὲς γὰρ ὑμῖν τοῦτο.
So, let’s examine this verse, shall we?
The word in question is Πείθεσθε. The Greek Lexicons point out that this word, in the basic form, is the proper name for the Greek goddess of Persuasion, and add that it does mean to yield, persuade, follow, etc… (See Liddle-Scott, Thayer)
The second word, translated variously as submissivly, is ὑπείκετε, or ‘yield to.’
There is another word which the author of Hebrews uses for ‘obey’ (as in obedience).
NKJ Hebrews 5:9 And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him,
NLT Hebrews 5:9 In this way, God qualified him as a perfect High Priest, and he became the source of eternal salvation for all those who obey him.
BGT Hebrews 5:9 καὶ τελειωθεὶς ἐγένετο πᾶσιν τοῖς ὑπακούουσιν αὐτῷ αἴτιος σωτηρίας αἰωνίου,
I will not bore you with the details here, but the word used here means to listen to, to harken to, to obey. Unlike the root word above, this word takes the stronger sense.
Returning to Hebrews 13.17, the NLT Study Bible’s note reads:
The Greek word translated obey can also mean follow, place confidence in, or be persuaded by.(This section of commentary was written by George Guthrie, NT Prof at Union University.)
While Guthrie’s ‘can also mean’ didn’t make it into the NLT’s translation, it does alter the generally accepted meaning. Plainly, it is not about obeying in a domineering manner those who have the rule over you, but about following their guiding.
Let’s take the next part of this verse, as used against me, the ‘as those who must give account.’ Let’s compare it to James 3.1
NKJ James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
NLT James 3:1 Dear brothers and sisters, not many of you should become teachers in the church, for we who teach will be judged more strictly.
BGT James 3:1 Μὴ πολλοὶ διδάσκαλοι γίνεσθε, ἀδελφοί μου, εἰδότες ὅτι μεῖζον κρίμα λημψόμεθα.
To break it down, the congregation must follow the leaders (note the plurality here), doing what they say, to ease their burden (not as a manner of getting into heaven), because it is beneficial to the Church (the ‘you’ here is plural) that the leaders are not stressed out. Nothing in here puts the salvation of a soul in the hands of a spiritual leader, nor do we follow the leaders set before us in total submission. Remember, men and women are still fallible, and frail beings, capable of mistakes. Remember as well, that the ministry has more to answer for than the congregational members.
Would we obey them in mistakes? In diversions from the Gospel path?
It is common place in Fundamentalist Churches, who purportedly base their doctrines solely on the bible, to find completely and sole authority resting in one person. Why? Because the words which can be translated as ‘follow’ and ‘yield to’ are done so in the American context. The Scriptures, it is true, tells us to obey those who rule over you, and submit yourselves. But this command must not be seen and understood in our present day (warped) context. In our culture, obey, rule, submission, authority and control are strongly associated words but here, in Hebrews 13.17 which was written some 2000 years also, the word obey means to trust, have confidence in your leaders. And again, the word rule refers to a leader or person who has influence over others. Submit means to listen to, to allow yourself to be persuaded. Isn’t this the core of the ministry? We submit to God, but are influenced by the ministry.
When these three terms are together, there’s no sense of subjection (personal or “spiritual”) or of control, as in our cultural context. The sense is more of a shepherd than is implied by an authoritarian mentality. The role of the true, spiritual, leader is never to order or command, but instead to invite, persuade and influence.
Let us not be afraid to disagree with the ministry or hold the idea that somehow they control our heavenly fate, and undue the work of Christ.
This is a rather undetailed look at this issue – so, feel free to contribute. As a quick note, please do not let a referral to context lead you to believe that the Bible is untrustworthy. Nothing in Scripture chances – what was good then is good today. What the author mean then is what God intends today. We just have to make sure we are reading the author instead of ourselves.
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Analysis of Hebrews 1:1-4
Posted by Joel in Bible Translation, Hebrews on May 23, 2009
Our new friend, Polumeros kai Polutropos, has posted these links:
Clifford Kvidahl offers an exegetical analysis of Hebrews 1:1-4 on his blog, Theological Musings. He also has posted some of his exegetical papers online, including a more detailed analysis on Hebrews 1:1-4 entitled, In These Last Days: The Son as the Final Communicative Act of God. I have added this paper to my electronic articles listing.
Hebrews 11.6 – Translating God as Present
Posted by Joel in Bible Translation, Hebrews on February 26, 2009
Translating the Bible is often times viewed as the evil enterprise of heretics, but a constant looking to the original language offers benefits. Granted, this is not the calling of everyone, but is indeed open to all.
Hebrews 11 is generally called the ‘Hall of Fame’ of Faith, and for good cause. It does, after all, list biblical heroes and apply their stature in the Kingdom to the faith that they held. After a short discourse on faith, the writer of Hebrews, generally assumed to be Paul, launches into these heroes with some vigor. It was Abel, first, then Enoch in the roll call. Upon Enoch’s name, and the fact that Enoch pleased God, the writer states,
But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. (Hebrews 11:6 NKJV)
I want to examine the ‘He is’ of this verse in a finer detail. The Greek εστιν translates as ‘he is’ easily, but in dealing with translations, I have learned that it is best to figure out what the writer was thinking as he or she wrote the original text. It is not always necessary, nor does it change the translation all that much, but sometimes, it is worth the exercise to hold the same pen as the translator.
ἐστί is a third person singular indicative of εἰμι. ἐστί means, depending on the pronoun, ‘he/she/it is’. It is a noun of existence. εἰμι is the first person singular – I am. In the Septuagint, we find this used in Exodus 3.14:
καὶ εἶπεν ὁ θεὸς πρὸς Μωυσῆν Ἐγώ εἰμι ὁ ὤν· καὶ εἶπεν Οὕτως ἐρεῖς τοῖς υἱοῖς Ισραηλ Ὁ ὢν ἀπέσταλκέν με πρὸς ὑμᾶς. Exodus 3:14 (LXX)
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, “I AM has sent me to you.”‘ (Exodus 3:14 NKJV)
This statment by the one true God of Israel, along with the Shema in Deuteronomy 6.4, is a key text for Jews and monotheism. Christ used it of Himself several times, notably,
Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” (John 8:58 NKJV)
The Psalmist said,
God is our refuge and strength, A very present help in trouble. (Psalms 46:1 NKJV)
Stay with me for just a second – let’s place ourself in the mind of the writer of Hebrews. Can we, if we strip away our translations, if we apply the great ‘I Am’ statements from both written Covenants – if we understand that the sacred writer used the third person for ‘I Am’, could we not see that perhaps a translation highlighting the first person read something like this:
But with faith, it is impossible to please him, for it necessary for the one that approaches God to believe that he is the I AM, and that he becomes a rewarder to those who craves for him. (Hebrews 11:6 CTV-NT)
Like I said, exercises are good, at times, if nothing else for the individual. In my reading, I see the writer of Hebrews fully understanding that God is always declaring himself ‘I AM.’
What do you think? Am I far off?
Lecture on Hebrews
Mr. Joseph has posted the following information at his blog:
David Allen, Dean of the School of Theology at Southwerstern Baptist Theological Seminary, gave a 3 part series lectures on the Book of Hebrews. Thought-Provoking and Well-Calculated!
Lecture 1: Jesus, Scripture, and Sermon as Word of God
Lecture 2: Was the Author of Hebrews a Charismatic?
Lecture 3: Was the Author of Hebrews a Calvinist?
- He argues for a Lukan authorship to the book of Hebrews.
- Luke was the independent author of the Epistle to the Hebrews. This Luke was the traditional author of Luke-Acts
- He also contends that Luke-Acts was written to a single individual named “Theophilus,” not a Gentile, rather a former Jewish high Priest.
- According to Prof. Allen, Luke was not a Gentile as commonly interpreted in the NT studies, rather a Jewish writer exhibiting comprehensive familiarity with the Hebrew Scriptures.
Hebrews – Chapter 13
Posted by Joel in Bible Translation, Debate/Discussion, Hebrews, Theology on September 26, 2008
Hebrews 13:1-25 from the Commentary in Translation Version
(1) Let brotherly love last.
(2) Stop neglecting hospitality, for by this some were unaware that they had entertained angels
(3) Bear in mind the prisoners, as if you were imprisoned with them; the ones that are mistreated, as yourselves being mistreated in the body.
(4) Marriage is precious for all, and the bed undefiled, but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.
(5) Let you way of live be free of the love of money, being contented with the things that you have, for he himself said: By no means shall I desert you, no in any way abandon you.
(6) So that we may with full confidence say: I can call upon the LORD to help and so I will not fear; what then shall man do unto me?
(7) Remember them had once led you, who have spoken to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate them.
(8) Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever
(9) Stop being carried away by various and strange doctrines, for it is good for the heart to be established with grace and not with meats, which those that follow that way of life could not benefit.
Again a warning against doctrines not of the Church.
(10) We have an altar, and those that still serve the tabernacle have no right to eat
(11) For the bodies of those animals, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp.
(12) Therefore, Jesus also, to set the people apart as holy with his own bloodm suffered outside the gate.
(13) So let us there fore go out the camp, bearing his reproach.
(14) For here we have no lasting city, but – but! – we are seeking that which is to come.
(15) Therefore, through him, let us through all things, offer up a sacrifice of praise to God, that is, the fruit of lips, giving thanks to his name.
(16) But stop neglecting to do good and to share with othersm for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.
(17) You yourselves obey those that lead you, and accept their authority, for they watch over your souls, as they will render and account, that they may do it with joy and not with groanings, for this would be detrimental to you.
(18) Pray for us, for we are confident that we have a good conscience, in all things desiring to conducts ourselves honorably.
(19) But I urge you to do this, so that I will be soon restored to you
(20) Now, may the God of peace who did bring up from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the eternal covenant,
(21) Make you perfect in every good work in order to do his will, working in you the acceptable thing before him, through Jesus Christ, to whom is the glory forever and ever. Amen.
(22) But I urger you, brethern, listen carefully to the words of this exhortation, for indeed through a few words, I wrote unto you.
(23) Know that the brother Timothy has been released, with whom, if he is come quickly, I will see you.
(24) Greet all the ones that lead you, and all of the saints. The Italians greet you.
(25) Grace be with you all, Amen.
- Chapter 1
- Chapter 2
- Chapter 3
- Chapter 4
- Chapter 5
- Chapter 6
- Chapter 7
- Chapter 8
- Chapter 9
- Chapter 10
- Chapter 11
- Chapter 12





